Anybody here Producing Tech House or Minimal ??

[nutrinoland]

I'd love to know more about these styles...Thanks

[nutrinoland]

Anybody.....No ??

[tampabobby]

Anybody.....No ??

I am trying to but all of the presets are very trancey. I am using Access Virus Ti2. No house or techno keys that I can find. I am not much of a sound designer so beginning to wonder if Access Virus was the right choice for this style.

[Berni]

I'd love to know more about these styles...Thanks

There's not much to figure out...tech house is house music without any soul or character & minimal is the most basic shit that is still classed as music. If you can program a simple 4/4 pattern you can make either, there's really not much more to it ;)

[TweakHead]

if you search the web for tuturials on specific genre sounds, they'll be presented using some instrument, chances are in 80% of the cases you'll be able to translate that know how into your Virus - since most subtractive synthesizers share a similar structure, it doesn't matter much which one you're using. Virus is a very capable machine and sounds very good, suited to all the genres I can think of, factory presets are just based on the public they think they have, it's a marketing decision more then anything, really.

it's best to ask about specific sounds, with examples, so as to get some good guide lines about the basics of such sounds. plus, programming a synthesizer isn't a daunting task, nor is it something that requires you to learn thousands of strange, difficult to grasp concepts, it's a matter of looking at the different things one at a time, like oscillators, envelopes, filters, lfos, so forth and so on, and experimenting with this things, starting with a blank patch. one important thing is: at first don't obsess about getting a specific sound, that comes with time, once you're used to connect some settings to qualities of sound.

so yeah, do as Berni says: search around for patches that get near what you're looking for and analyze those, really look into them, see what's going on, and then try to build some from scratch based on that know how. the Howard Scarr manual, on their website, provides a good journey into such matters: how you can approach and analyze patches, things to experiment to get to know the machine a little better, some careful laid out explanation of the main features and techniques to, and is quite an enjoyable read to, not nearly as boring as a manual. a combination of this things will get you up to speed in no time, and you'll find yourself feeling much more empowered and inspired and loving your new machine much more to. the more you put into it... ;)

[MBTC]

There's not much to figure out...tech house is house music without any soul or character & minimal is the most basic shit that is still classed as music. If you can program a simple 4/4 pattern you can make either, there's really not much more to it ;)

Hehe.... Berni you've got "industry goggles" on when you start thinking that 4/4 no longer works... although I can understand it if you're involved in music as a profession, I do the same thing with software development. Some concepts that are insanely repetitive to a developer will recur constantly and make you crazy and full of disdain if you let it get that bad.... i.e. "If I run into one more cunt that doesn't understand the Euclidian disparity between a simple O(N log N) and O(n^2), I'm going to put my boot on their throat and hold it until their squawking appeases my disagreement" :)

Seriously though, I still listen to a lot of old school trance, and while the beats are simple, some of it can be incredibly beautiful if listened to on a system that does the original mix justice. Admittedly a beautiful female voice can add a lot.

When I was young I used to make fun of 70's disco. Now I make fun of those who try to emulate it, and fail simply because they can't put their mind where it needs to be to do it right.

[TweakHead]

Well, blaming the 4 on 4 time signature, is liking blaming grammar for bad writing.

And there's tons more to it! like syncopation and swing for example.

[TweakHead]

Yeah, and Dubstep is just a bunch of non sense noises with distortion, right?

Hell no! If you take Skrillex for example, he gets all the hate, but he's like 20 times the producer the haters will ever be - and I don't even enjoy his music, but production wise... Different story.

Same with any other genre. Pick Minologue, for example, it's the most basic shit, uh? Just go ahead and try! Genre talk, usually, is what bullshit looks like on a forum like this, imo.

[feedingear]

20 times the producer the haters will ever be. Genre talk, usually, is what bullshit looks like on a forum like this, imo.

Yep.. QFT.

[MBTC]

Well, blaming the 4 on 4 time signature, is liking blaming grammar for bad writing.

And there's tons more to it! like syncopation and swing for example.

:) yep, true.... depends on what "it" is, but one thing for sure, there is definitely, and usually, more to everything.. hehe.

I mostly said what I did about four on the floor with regard to EDM. That's just because lounge music for sitting back and chilling with friends and club music for getting on the dance floor and burning through energy are two entirely different things, and most clubs I'm aware of that aren't a hole in the wall and drive large crowds would have trouble surviving if they introduce "swing" into the beat. Most people don't want to be out there doing the irish foot shuffle leprechaun dance :)

But it doesn't mean I want an intense throbbing dance beat all the time. Honestly sometimes what I listen to on a weekend night during while at a club or even screwing is not necessarily the same thing I want to listen to Monday morning on the way to a meeting at a client site. Things sound different with alcohol. If I went down a list of the bands that are in my own opinion and mind the greatest in the history of music, only a couple of synth bands would even make it into the top ten, and none of them are really what anyone would call EDM.

As far as Skrillex, I admire anyone that is truly good at what they do, even if I don't like what they do. My problem with dubstep is that it is a genre born from pasting clips together like in Live, which comes across sounding more like a random paste-fest of sound bytes than it does a musical composition. Sonny is kind of snarky little geekturd that can't even read sheet music, but I respect his ability to draw a crowd. Nobody will know who he is 15 years from now, but that's true of all these little Justin Beebers wet behind the ears artists. The true talent got sucked out of music the moment it became freely available online via the interwebs, and there's not much new to see. Its just the reality of the situation these days.

[namnibor]

:lol: :lol: You said "geekturd", and about blew espresso all over my lappy!:lol: :lol:

That "EDM/Live pasting snipets together sound" [paraphrasing] had been my impasse in trying to connect properly with *anyone* on the Elektron Forum in specific to the Analog Four, which has great potential for the atmospheric drones and such I am working on as well as ambient/chill.

However, I hate to sound like an ass (probably way too late for that), but ALMOST ALL **so-called user's music** sounds so much alike with absolutely NO SONG STRUCTURE to where it's *nowhere near* being the 'Berlin School' type of synth music I make my own take on. Rather, it's maniacal snip-its all chained somewhat together and through chaotic repetition (nowhere NEAR in a Tangerine Dream way, in which I admire and like), it makes me wonder if as seen on this forum quite a few times of recent, people becoming incredibly lazy in making music, let alone in programming and learning TO PROGRAM their instruments??!

I will not resolve to saying I am just older...no, there's more CRAP-tastic music out there that I personally find unlistenable but it does not mean I think all those are without talent entirely; just a bit "me too mentality" compilers of clips and samples.

With that said, there IS something admirable about an improvisation process but I guess as they say, "it's just my opinion, and everyone has one".
Perhaps what I am wondering is if there's a lot of people that forgo practice makes perfect, acquired skills, and music theory? Glad to hear other thoughts on this.:confused:

[Berni]

Looks like this one went side ways...AGAIN! Lol.

[namnibor]

Looks like this one went side ways...AGAIN! Lol.

Says the gentleman NOT enjoying my 6 F on a good day;) Hope you are enjoying plenty of Raves down in your island-ish weather, and it's whatever genre that makes you and crowds very happy! :p

Sideways is the way I 'roll'! :p

[MBTC]

Perhaps what I am wondering is if there's a lot of people that forgo practice makes perfect, acquired skills, and music theory? Glad to hear other thoughts on this.:confused:

I don't know, there are certain types of music where music theory doesn't help, while practice always helps whatever we do, musical or non-musical.

It's not that I believe Skrillex or whoever are skill-less (as coincidentally as a pun might tend to arise from that sentence). I would actually shake the kid's hand and congratulate him if I ever met him, because he is basically credited with inventing a musical genre, something that not too many folks can claim -- it's just that I believe that particular genre is more technical in nature than musical, and if we are in the business of admiring technical skills then the best music producers in the world start to look less impressive up against a mediocre, run of the mill software developer. For me to enjoy their music is a whole different beast, they don't need to create a new genre for that.

However, this thread got me thinking over the last two days. I was trying to identify any musical band or artist that has been formed in recent years that actually got my attention, motivated me to listen to the product of their labor. I really can't think of one in recent years that caught my ear. At first I thought of MGMT, because I thought some of their tunes were decent, but it turns out they were actually formed in 2002, which is just a couple of years before the industry started really imploding. You can see where I'm headed with that -- a talent vacuum stemming from Internet sharing. I'm not talking about decent music emerging from already established bands, I'm looking for examples of bands/artists that were formed after say 2006 or so that are worth listening to. Thoughts?

[namnibor]

I am not usually much of a fan of Country Music genre but I *was* pleasantly surprised from a new band I saw last year that appeared and played on David Letterman Show, and is two brothers and their sister, "The Band Perry", insomuch I ordered the CD from Amazon before retiring for night.
it may not be a synth-based band but they play just about every old world acoustic instrument you can think of and the music is damn great. However, I am as well empty of suggestions of newer bands other than this and what's cool is it helped open my mind to that genre, even though I DO realize The Band Perry cross the lines of Pop and Country. here you go:

Live version of first song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWw4wQ1MEtQ

Studio/Video of same song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIdCo_QAz_E

Different song, showing diversity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJqUN9TClM

[MBTC]

Formed in 2005 though -- that's right at the very end of the tip of the music meltdown and before iTunes killed it completely :)

[namnibor]

Formed in 2005 though -- that's right at the very end of the tip of the music meltdown and before iTunes killed it completely :)

Yes, but it took them until 2013 to release first CD. More than enough time to refine and hone their distinctively fresh sound. :p They are not trying to be yet another "me too" group and even that music video/studio version of performed live song, "better Dig Two", shows they definitely think outside the parameter box. I at least, find their music refreshing.

It was not my wont to prove you incorrect rather, to be an optimist in showing the glimpse of hope I once renewed by this one example.

[MBTC]

Yes, but it took them until 2013 to release first CD. More than enough time to refine and hone their distinctively fresh sound. :p They are not trying to be yet another "me too" group and even that music video/studio version of performed live song, "better Dig Two", shows they definitely think outside the parameter box. I at least, find their music refreshing.

It was not my wont to prove you incorrect rather, to be an optimist in showing the glimpse of hope I once renewed by this one example.

Yeah, I know. But my point was just that the lure that used to draw talent to the industry is drawing way less talent -- even though they didn't come out with a CD until many years later, it seems like they kind of made their career commitment before the "real crash" (MGMT is similar in that regard).

Also, a tangential topic since you mentioned Letterman.... Over the last two years I've noticed most of the newer bands that come on his show with a keyboardist or two have shown up with MIDI controllers (presumably controlling soft synths) rather than an identifiable synth. The exception seems to be rap groups (sometimes country ones) that sometimes show up with a Triton, Motif, or similar rompler type workstation. Its gotten really noticeable in the last 6 months or so, usually you see a Novation or Akai controller rather than Moog, Korg, Roland etc on the back of the keyboardists main board.

Buggles should do a new video: "Softsynths killed the Hardware Star"

[namnibor]

THAT was exceptionally funny~! it was also incredibly ironic because 'MTV' seemed to pretty much cease doing what they advertise themselves as, "MUSIC television" in the decade prior to your presumed date of things changing.
Things change, I get that. But on a similar note, WTF would there be two hour blocks of "fake wrestling" on the Science Fiction Channel???

What has changed that's making people more amused at totally fake reality shows? Too much radiation? Spiders from space? I digress, but way too late for that.
I was as much annoyed that Keyboard Magazine, of which have been a long time subscriber, has moved onto glorifying the DJ as if they were Keith Emerson himself....again, WTF???!
Speaking of which, people have literally become "Brain Salad Surgery" cases, and no, they would never pick-up on that reference even in same sentence.
Back on topic: Maybe aforementioned dumbing down is the now-aging RAVERS whom took a seemingly popular lab created rave/club drug and they also reproduced!!??:p

[MBTC]

I always wanted to believe that it's just me becoming a dinosaur, much like I used to have to listen to old people tell me how great things used to be back in the day. I long ago anticipated that as part of life, it's just that it's turning out much differently than I expected.

An example, watching the ongoing decline of quality of minds in software engineering. It's not that there aren't some smart young people entering the field, it's just that tragically they were never given the chance to develop their brains in the way that developers did 30 years ago. These days, all it takes is a Google search to look up "how do I do this, how do I do that", or they watch a 10 min video on how to accomplish the task ahead of them. In the early days of software development, the programming tools were primitive and horrible and every single time you ran into a challenge you had to stretch your mind to figure it all out yourself, there was no such thing as Googling for the answer and there were not 10 min videos. Sometimes you needed to read 1000+ pages of dense, intensely technical material in a period of a few days to a week before you had enough information to begin to overcome the problem and derive a proper solution.

That's all gone. The newbies don't have a reason or rationale to even begin to learn how to train their brains to think at that level. It's sad really. Most of them have only basic reading skills, enough to pick up the latest Internet meme and feel clever about using it. They don't have the attention span to even survive through 1000+ of dense technical material without having an ADD spaz attack and getting diverted onto something unrelated.

With regard to music, however, I think the issue is similar in the sense that technology changed the landscape (cataclysmically actually) but the reasons and effect are somewhat different.

I never really connected MTV's decline to whatever it is today (wouldn't know, haven't seen it in years, its not even in my list of watched channels) to the same things that closed retail music stores like Internet music sharing, I guess because the changes seemed to happen only after a couple of years after they first came on the air. First it was music videos, then it was inordinately long music videos involving acting and story lines, then by the time the early 90s rolled around they were doing reality shows that had absolutely nothing to do with music, yet the rest of the music industry was still there even if MTV lost their way.

[TweakHead]

Interesting thread!

The thing is, despite a lot of us - myself included - don't exactly qualify as fans of this new wave of EDM in which Skrillex is just the most (in)famous example, we should be able to recognize some simple facts: I had the chance to listen to a live act of his long before his carreer exploded and turned him into a name everyone knows of, and the fact remains that it was one of the most impressive live acts I've ever listened to, quality wise.

While most of us are ready to make (bad) jokes about it, we fail to admit this guys usually know their stuff inside out. Be it synthesis, be it being able to costumize their own drum kits to perfection through layering and carefull sound design, they know synthesis inside out to, I mean, Skrillex surely knows more about FM and Wavetable synthesis then most people round here for sure. He also does a pretty impressive job filling up the frequency spectrum with those big farts of his. But regardless of our own taste, even this big snarling sounds are the product of carefull layering that includes some pure form of sub, usually a sine wave whose range (as in octaves or semitones) is set so it doesn't clash with the Kick, then there's the lead sound and possibly some high end stuff where stereo has gone spread, or something interesting is happening stereo wise. The level of DAW skills involded in editting audio in such a way are incredible and surely much more developed then - I dare say it again - almost anyone here.

Claiming he doesn't know music theory and songs are lacking structure is a very old argument that comes up with every new genre. But how come is that true if even those screaming distorted leads of his only sound like that if played on some notes? and if there's chords backing it up? and emotional crescendos crafted with utmost care.

Then, if you praise mixing as an art, you have to take your hat off to someone who can mix an entire tune inside the box and manages to be able to pump it through any sound system - funktion one included - and it sounds good. So there you go: EQ, dynamics, stereo width, depth, so forth and so on, without a single mistake, crafted to a professional level. That takes some reading, tons of experimentation, lots of knownledge and a lot of will and dedication to acomplish. This, dear folks, is just a blatant fact that you just can't ignore!

Even David Gueta, if you will, has earned his place in this maniac world of constantly touring and playing live for big crowds. Not everyone is suited to such a thing, it's certainly demanding, there's certainly a lot of pressure involved, and the level of professionalism is paramount!

[namnibor]

You of course, are correct. I realize that I need to see past a genre of music that that, along with hip/hop and rap simply makes my head hurt...seriously. That was not me being sardonic, it really does.

However, you are correct, and just as my eyes and ears can be opened to Country genre in admiration, can at least give kudos to his technical prowess and clever use of modulation.
I will pass though, definitely not my cup of tea or poison.

[TweakHead]

Sure Rob, no one's going to make you listen to things you don't like. I don't either. Was just trying to make the point of them being highly capable people, that get there on their own, not like some girl who gets there for her looks and Auto Tune kind of thing. And it's in our best interest, after all, that EDM is actually praised rather then the opposite.

But yeah, this guys know their shit. I mean, I've been making mostly Electronic Music for some years now, most of it I highly doubt anyone here would enjoy, and to me it's quite obvious that this guys have made their own way into success, it's the product of their own qualities and know how, not based on how they look or who they know, and it takes an awful amount of work to get there in the first place.

I mean, even if you don't enjoy the serious banging stuff (lol) from Skrillex, take a look at how he processes his own voice in the quiet parts. Production wise, that's some serious work. And the energy, dynamics, the arrangement of parts, and frequency placement and everything you can think of, is done to perfection - even though it doesn't appeal to me, because we all have our own taste (thank god) and we're not bound to like stuff just because it's well done.

But that's one thing, saying it's bad is quite another. It's not bad. He's done a massive job for Native Instruments, I mean, they are as surprised with their own products as Roland was seeing how some folks grabbed their toy gadgets like TB 303 and made it into a classic sound that carries the soul of so many genres, when it was seen as a major flop and bad commercial move by its own makers. Not such a drastic thing, with Massive and FM8, but this things have helped shape some new genres and they owe it to the creative usage of folks like Skrillex - no matter how much we like them or not.

besides, they've proven that inside-the-box music production has it's place in the world and can compete hand-in-hand with milion dolar studio productions with pop singers and all of that in the charts, and that's good! it's actually an ongoing revolution and it opens the door for everyone else to...

myself, I do listen to a lot of stuff I don't even like. mainly because of what I do, I sometimes put my own taste on hault and just listen. there's some super talented producers out there these days, even young people, and there's really nothing wrong with bedroom music, super micro editings of audio clips, automation, using the entire daw as an instrument or whatever... it's all part of the game and we all should be happy there's people pushing things to the extremes, 'cause that ultimately means better products, more suitable to musicians and their demands, rather then engineers deciding things and being surprised what usage people gave them (XD), and all of that.

I like hip hop, not all of it, but some guys really know their stuff. like Dj premier never fails to impress me. and I'm not the kind of person you'd expect to be listening to that, by a long run eheh... but he's to good for me to dismiss his work regardless of that. I think it's good that we can see past our own taste sometimes, that's basicly what I mean. most specially when we're interested in music production and synthesis.

every single time people talk about drums I say: just surf some drum n'bass foruns or even dub step, those guys are the best in business when it comes to that. they trully are. no question about it. I mean, just dare to go there and read some tips - lucky you don't have to put up with the sound on foruns XD, right? - and make some sound design experiments with samples based on what you read there and tell me about it.

to a certain extent, being able to make it on EDM world actually requires you get a good grasp on audio theory, being proficient with your daw and controlling everything regarding your own mixes, much of it depends on that. you need to be sure you get there to these couple of thousand watts system, and it sounds good in all the right places and you drive the crowds mad, that's what it's about.

if you think straight about it, some young kids are threatning the kingdom of folks like Tony Maseratti without all the fancy equipment like teletronix C-2A compressors and Pultec EQ and stuff like that. I think that's a good revolution of this market and this young folks agitating crowds all over the place, yeah, just like Doors did back in their day, they're actually pissing off a lot of bigger names and I surely apreciate that and so should all of us. Music technology is also developing fast because of all of this, good times we're living, it's all good.

[feedingear]

And in the interim while everyone is typing out essays presenting their subjective opinion as fact, he's releasing another new track and continues touring the world :). Moral of the story, get writing!

[MBTC]

Well I guess maybe that's why there are several different forums, including one for discussing music and another one for posting homebrew tracks. If there's anything wrong here it's that a worthwhile discussion wound up in a thread with an unrelated title. I confess to being a guilty contributor.

[feedingear]

Not having a dig at anyone. Just something to keep in mind when on your musical path - better off doing what you want, working hard and improving your skillsets.

[Berni]

Think I'm going to change my name to skrasha ;)

[MBTC]

Think I'm going to change my name to skrasha ;)

Not to be confused with the less popular skrasshat? :)

[TweakHead]

my post was just me trying to make a point. a fairly simple one that I think is connected to what was being said here, rather then the title of the thread - just like everyone else, really.

simple: most people that make it big, need to work hard to get there and are usually several times more competent then credited for.

it kind of puzzles me that someone would even think this isn't so, because granted you have some good monitoring going on and a trained ear, you should be able to listen.

quality is not something connected to your own subjective taste, it's something that comes with time for those that stick at it long enough - then, and only then, there's talent! (and names, yeah)

[namnibor]

Not to be confused with the less popular skrasshat? :)

THAT was funny!:D
"Minimalist" *insert noun here* can mean many different things to people:
A glass cube in an art gallery that houses a pile of poo and a feather...that's all, is considered "high art" and accolades given for 'thinking outside the box while putting it literally within the box"...just as art or music or anything goes, it's highly objective. In the end 'for me' I would indeed find it 'high art' if in fact I was extremely high...but even then...just saying all the training and practice in the world can still turn out a box of poo in the end....again, subjective as well as objective.:rolleyes:

Been a bit preoccupied with my own 'poo' of late. But it may be genius to the right person or group. :p :shock:

[Berni]

Not to be confused with the less popular skrasshat? :)

Huh? My joke was obviously combining two of the biggest over hyped media whore dj's sasha & skrillex...not sure what you are on about?:confused:

[namnibor]

Perhaps he was also joking in that the latter half of his name "skrasshat", *shat*, is slang and past tense for ****?
Thought it was funny first time.

[MBTC]

Huh? My joke was obviously combining two of the biggest over hyped media whore dj's sasha & skrillex...not sure what you are on about?:confused:

Haha! I just now saw this. Berni you're funny when you're serious. I was joking too, skrillex is an asshat so I convenientized his name that's all you old fart, get some sleep man you know you're well loved :)

[MBTC]

Perhaps he was also joking in that the latter half of his name "skrasshat", *shat*, is slang and past tense for ****?
Thought it was funny first time.

Well actually the whole fecal thing didn't even come mind. Wait, what did you just??.... wtf??....

hehe

[Berni]

Haha! I just now saw this. Berni you're funny when you're serious. I was joking too, skrillex is an asshat so I convenientized his name that's all you old fart, get some sleep man you know you're well loved :)

Oh just put some music up you old fart instead of conveniently hiding behind the curtain. Tired of listening to talkers, it's cheap :p

[MBTC]

Oh just put some music up you old fart instead of conveniently hiding behind the curtain. Tired of listening to talkers, it's cheap :p

You certainly won't hear me talk about asking for approval from others regarding my music. Hell I don't finish tracks at all any more. Never assume that every synth enthusiast has an interest or desire to complete finished tracks any more than you can assume someone walking into Lowes or Home Depot is either a professional carpenter or a homeowner on a DIY mission. Some people are just hobbyists and find the tools relaxing.

Unless that is you're offering to pay me, then I'll consider creating a track just for you Berni :) Otherwise... well...TALK IS CHEAP...:D

[Berni]

You certainly won't hear me talk about asking for approval from others regarding my music. Hell I don't finish tracks at all any more. Never assume that every synth enthusiast has an interest or desire to complete finished tracks any more than you can assume someone walking into Lowes or Home Depot is either a professional carpenter or a homeowner on a DIY mission. Some people are just hobbyists and find the tools relaxing.

Unless that is you're offering to pay me, then I'll consider creating a track just for you Berni :) Otherwise... well...TALK IS CHEAP...:D

Pay you?????? On the strength of what? Even carpenters & painters have to prove they know what they are doing otherwise they get fired....like I say talk is cheap, put up or shut up. If all you want to do is sit at home & play with your knob's then I think it is a waste of a beautiful canvas. If you are not being creative you are missing the point.
Just my 2c :p

[TweakHead]

No one's ever goint to acuse you of not being honest Berni XD...

[MBTC]

Pay you?????? On the strength of what? Even carpenters & painters have to prove they know what they are doing otherwise they get fired....like I say talk is cheap, put up or shut up. If all you want to do is sit at home & play with your knob's then I think it is a waste of a beautiful canvas. If you are not being creative you are missing the point.
Just my 2c :p

lol.. Of course I was joking about being paid. Seems like you missed both that and the real point of my message.

Its not a sport. "Put up or shut up" does not apply here. I've said before I rarely find time to even work on tracks or write songs anymore.

Some people do enjoy synths simply for the art of sound design, and I have uploaded my patches many times in the past. Not everyone aspires to be a musical artist or DJ. I don't have time for complete tracks, and I'm not here in search of atta boys for anything I do.

Surely you can see how the process of designing sounds and programming patches can be creative too?

I hope this isn't one of those things I have to re-explain every 4 months. I think this is already the third time.. lol :D

[Berni]

lol.. Of course I was joking about being paid. Seems like you missed both that and the real point of my message.

Its not a sport. "Put up or shut up" does not apply here. I've said before I rarely find time to even work on tracks or write songs anymore.

Some people do enjoy synths simply for the art of sound design, and I have uploaded my patches many times in the past. Not everyone aspires to be a musical artist or DJ. I don't have time for complete tracks, and I'm not here in search of atta boys for anything I do.

Surely you can see how the process of designing sounds and programming patches can be creative too?

I hope this isn't one of those things I have to re-explain every 4 months. I think this is already the third time.. lol :D

OK let me hear something! Anything! cant keep hiding. Where are your patches? Cmon!

[MBTC]

OK let me hear something! Anything! cant keep hiding. Where are your patches? Cmon!

They're around here somewhere. Just as easy for you to search the forum as me.

[Berni]

They're around here somewhere. Just as easy for you to search the forum as me.

Lol...I believe the original thread was Anybody here Producing Tech House or Minimal ??...a simple no would have sufficed :p

[MBTC]

Lol...I believe the original thread was Anybody here Producing Tech House or Minimal ??...a simple no would have sufficed :p

Really? After all that, then this?

Funny stuff man, whatever you're smoking, send me some. :mrgreen:

[Berni]

Really? After all that, then this?

Funny stuff man, whatever you're smoking, send me some. :mrgreen:

Yawn :rolleyes:

[MBTC]

Yawn :rolleyes:

At least we can agree on that one. Hopefully this is the end of the whole "everyone should do what I do" thing.:lol:

[Innovine]

Going back a bit... it's important to realise that skrillex is just the justin bieber of dubstep. The fact that he's popular should probably tip you off.. the masses have no taste. It's true that the internet has enabled a vast army of me-too bedroom artists, churning out the crap, but there are a few gems. Check out these, both out since 2006.. both albums are highly recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M-dFa9FJlo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OFdBSHa_fA

[TweakHead]

my taste this, your taste that... SHH

[MBTC]

Going back a bit... it's important to realise that skrillex is just the justin bieber of dubstep. The fact that he's popular should probably tip you off..

This answers the question that others have asked, regarding why does he get singled out for these types of discussions? Because people know who he is. A couple of weeks ago there was a skit on SNL where a guy played Skrillex. How many EDM producers can boast they've been mocked and made fun of on something as prominent as Saturday Night Live? It's hard to believe anyone choosing that haircut and glasses that didn't aspire to have attention in any form they can get it, so I assume he enjoys this level of recognition. Popularity is not a bad plan for folks who want to make a living making music, so in that sense maybe he's quite the businessman in disguise.

As far as the relationship between popularity and subjective quality of music according to the niches, I tend to agree; I can't remember a time when popularity of a given band or artist didn't lead to some sort of adverse impact, even if the effect was one member breaking off from a band for a solo career or whatever. A lot of artists seem to simply lose their creative edge or their work ethic once they hit a certain level of success, and / or the long-term effects of alcohol & drugs they enjoyed on the way up the ladder leads to long-term or permanent stagnation, then they either go all Cobain or just find themselves doing tours of previously popular material from the peak of their days.