1: Nobody decides.
2: Almost everything!

To be fair they were here for 6 months after the release of the TI. Maybe once 1.1 is out (assuming it works) they'll come back because of less bitching about their product :)

I do hope they come back, but they need to be able to handle the knocking of their products if they do. When it got personal towards Marc and Ben directly is wasn't nice, but still they're men aren't they. Trolls are part of the internet.

The TI fiasco has lowered my view of Access as a company, then to remove links to a forum that has supported them for ages just topped it off.

Now to the important stuff...

You got that way wrong me muppet chef!

1: I decide.
2: Everything!!

EDIT: Insert "evil laugh here".

I do see your point here. Excellent.!

The ranting and misinformation on the old forum really did get on my tits. The reality is that for some people the Ti works fine, for others it does not. Perhaps this is because the virus OS needs further refinement.....but lets not forget....computer operating systems and peripheral drivers etc are not bug free themselves. Its all about combinations of code.....some just dont get on well with each other.

That said, having endless streams of emotional babble whilst interesting.....serves no real cathartic purpose.....and should in some way be sensored. Put it this way, I dont think new members have the right to join our community to make 2 or 3 shitty posts and then leave....

Just my opinion

DS

Exactly DS, that was one of the main problems. People saw posts from official (and non-official :) ) Access employees, and joined simply to rant at them, normally in a pathetic and extremely rude manor that quite frankly would put anyone off trying to offer support here.

Ive had a few rants myself, but nothing like the 'ACESS YOU ARE FUCKING SHIT, COCK SUCKERS, THE TI IS A PILE OF SHIT I WANT A REFUND NOW, YOU LIE ON YOUR WEBSITE BLAH blah blah fuck etc.' totally pathetic.

How many people have joined like they knew the whole story and now you hear nothing from them? Total fucking idiots.

I still stand by the idea of it being totally uncensored, but people should be prepared to have action taken against them with warnings and possible removal from the forum if deemed serious enough by the mod team.

ten

There are two things we are talking about here and confusing:

1. Censorship - you could say that that is preventing the freedom to express ideas

2. Moderation - this should preserve the idea being expressed as much as possible, but limit the inflamatory and or personally directed (or even organisationally directed) nature of the expression of the idea.

Moderation is not generally about limiting what views are expressed, its about keeping the manner in which views are expressed non-offensive and within stated rules of this forum.

I think we should be moderating. I also think that we should continue to not censor as far as possible (by above definition). If however a post is so full of directed abuse that there is nothing left after moderation - well tough on the poster and TBH the poster needs warning from an admin/mod *especially* if it is someone who has just joined.


One other point about whether the access guys can take it or not - that generally isnt the point - whether personally they can or not - most companies discourage engagement in forums full of abuse, so Marc and tk are probably rather limited by company policy. Such company policy is very common, more so with larger companies. Of course linking to such forums just aint going to happen.

Well said. Exactly what I think should happen.

I don't actually think it was the all out abuse which caused the boys to leave or the link to be taken down - trolls are everywhere and are easily ignored. Plus it was only a few guys really getting stuck into Access (myself being one of them). The majority of people here were working to help the bugs get ironed out.

I feel they stopped posting here and removed the link on their page because of the obvious trouble with a flawed (but advertised as perfect) synth that this forum was highlighting.

Access has shown a very shady side when it comes to the TI, and people here were not supporting them blindly out of loyalty.

Less we forget:
1: Delayed release (obvious trouble to begin with) with no released reason for the delay.
2: Released, many questions crop up about the OS trouble and features advertised as being implemented not being implemented, but little/no word from Access.
3: More and more people becoming disrguntled, Access starts to hold back any responses (except for canned pre-made text pasting).
4: Finally Access admit to the TI having some trouble on some systems and they ask people to beta-test.
5: They start to hold back bad press by removing links.

From an outsider looking in, this doesn't look good - even if they have some sort of corporate policy against abuse. People are angry and have every right to be.

Who are we to moderate their anger? :wink:

LOL HC.....another cracking post :lol:

Sticks and stones cant hurt the TI (German engineering) but words sure can :lol:

DS