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blay 12.12.2004 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wandering Kid
it doesnt exist. it doesnt exist. if i believe its not real - it isnt! la la la la! RAH RAH RAH!

im beginning to think this may be true.
access have got sick of so many people (HC) posting hoaxes that they are getting their own back now... the whole thing is actually a farce :lol:

xerxes_ 12.12.2004 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ben crosland
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Originally Posted by xerxes_
soundengineers make composers sound good. and the other way around.

Never a truer word has been spoken!

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personally, i use a mix of both presets and hand made sounds. i only do this because i've always had limited access to good sounds (never owned any HW before).. when i get the TI, i'll use the presets for what its worth. and i promise you.. it will sound better than music from the people who created the patches.
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You may well be correct, but in our defence, I think the main reason sound-designers struggle to compose much decent music, is because we spend too much time on the sounds. The reverse is probably true for composers ;)

For the record, there are also many very successful composers who design most, if not all their own sounds. BT, Vangelis, Brian Eno, to name but a few..

yep thanks for that reply ben! i agree 100%. when i re-read my post it sounded as if i meant EVERY soundengineer. i meant it more as a general statement and i am sorry for being a bit vague :)

i know BT makes most (all?) of his own sounds. an extraordinary multitalent he is. i didnt know vangelis created most of his sounds. seeing that he is my all-time favorite composer, i've read quite a bit about him.. and he has a TEAM of sound engineers working for him. i might be wrong, but i dont think vangelis himself does the soundshaping part (except for in the old days ofcourse.. i've actually only read the production details of 1492 and oceanic).

btw. how do you feel about commercial artists using presets? :)

Wandering Kid 12.12.2004 10:13 PM

commercial artists using presets?

whatever gets the job done. i prefer to think of the means as subsidiary to the ends. if you can make a cracking good song that happens to use a virus preset then nothing is gonna change the fact its a good song.

sometimes, and by no means is this always applicable but extensive use of presets can show up the limitations of the producer. case in point. VNV nation. talented musicians that quite obviously never learnt how to produce. and never really bothered even after having alot of their work signed. their discography reads like a list of virus b presets. in this case i would say its just plain laziness and it shows in their work. musically they are gifted. but their reliance on stock sounds really shows up whats wrong in their music which is a shame.

if a song is well made, you just notice it. you can throw in a preset here and there but if it sits well in the mix and it feels like it should be there i really couldnt careless. in fact, if i like it and ID a virus preset it just makes me happier that i can make something just as groovy because i got a virus too :D gives me even more faith in the fact that i made the right choice by not bidding on that nord lead 2

xerxes_ 12.12.2004 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wandering Kid
commercial artists using presets?

whatever gets the job done. i prefer to think of the means as subsidiary to the ends. if you can make a cracking good song that happens to use a virus preset then nothing is gonna change the fact its a good song.

sometimes, and by no means is this always applicable but extensive use of presets can show up the limitations of the producer. case in point. VNV nation. talented musicians that quite obviously never learnt how to produce. and never really bothered even after having alot of their work signed. their discography reads like a list of virus b presets. in this case i would say its just plain laziness and it shows in their work. musically they are gifted. but their reliance on stock sounds really shows up whats wrong in their music which is a shame.

if a song is well made, you just notice it. you can throw in a preset here and there but if it sits well in the mix and it feels like it should be there i really couldnt careless. in fact, if i like it and ID a virus preset it just makes me happier that i can make something just as groovy because i got a virus too :D gives me even more faith in the fact that i made the right choice by not bidding on that nord lead 2


well put m8 :) agreed!

Hollowcell 13.12.2004 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blay
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Originally Posted by Wandering Kid
it doesnt exist. it doesnt exist. if i believe its not real - it isnt! la la la la! RAH RAH RAH!

im beginning to think this may be true.
access have got sick of so many people (HC) posting hoaxes that they are getting their own back now... the whole thing is actually a farce :lol:

Hey! That's not kind Blay. Even though I did receive mail from Access asking me to stop doing those "photoshop style" hoaxes (I had nothing to do with the mp3-editing-posts hoaxe that went around by the way), I'm sure they were happy with the free publicity I gave them. :D

Using presets hey? Mmmmm. I see no trouble with it at all really. I have to admit though I don't use presets often at all anymore, but that's because I really enjoy creating new sounds and experimenting with different engineering techniques. I go through stages where I'll program for the best part of a month, then after that I sit down and put them into music. All part of the fun.

Tomer=Trance 13.12.2004 06:30 AM

this reminds me of another question i dont think anyone asked in this post
why not replace your virus c with another high end va like clavia g2 or waldorf q/xt.

blay 13.12.2004 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollowcell
Hey! That's not kind Blay.

you never know mate. access might have you on some sort of hit-list :lol:

i thought the hoax pics you made looked great - maybe you gave access a bit of a design complex :wink:

Hollowcell 13.12.2004 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blay
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Originally Posted by Hollowcell
Hey! That's not kind Blay.

you never know mate. access might have you on some sort of hit-list :lol:

i thought the hoax pics you made looked great - maybe you gave access a bit of a design complex :wink:

They were actually very kind about it. Honestly, if I'd known that the pictures caused trouble I would have made them a little more "fake". Oops.

tranzash 14.12.2004 12:23 AM

G2
 
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Originally Posted by Tomer=Trance
why not replace your virus c with another high end va like clavia g2 or waldorf q/xt.

The only thing that i hate in G2 is no unison module :evil:
May be in the future OS updates :?

Timo 14.12.2004 12:48 AM

The G2 does sound beautiful (well, the demos I heard on the Clavia site). Gorgeous organic stuff. It sounds like the physical modelling is absolutely insanely better than the stuff I can coax out of the Korg Z1, say. But this is nearly 2005, not 1995, of course.

Irrelevant, but is it just me, or does anyone else feel Clavia's synths look cold and downright butt-ugly, though?! They're absolutely grotesque (apart from the rotary encoder LEDs)! I utterly, utterly despise the red colour, and would probably have to have it re-sprayed if I ever managed to grab hold of one, lol.


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