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hatembr 08.01.2004 02:10 PM

syncing two square oscs w/ different pw
 
hi

this a technical synthesis question rather than the usual "how-to-make-this-sound" question (expression ? la juho :) )
correct me if i'm wrong, as far as i know, two oscs with different pulse width values have different phase lenghts, and the definition of syncing two oscs is starting their waveform cycles at the same time so that they have the same phase... so how is it possible to sync two pw modulated oscs? they can never be synced.. or more exactly, if the pulse widths are the same they can, and if they aren't, then could they be really synced? :roll:

Juho L 08.01.2004 03:02 PM

Re: syncing two square oscs w/ different pw
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hatembr
so how is it possible to sync two pw modulated oscs? they can never be synced.. or more exactly, if the pulse widths are the same they can, and if they aren't, then could they be really synced? :roll:

The sync works in a way that the synced oscillator phase is reseted on the syncing oscillator's rising edge (in VA's probably just on the start of the wavephase instead of rising edge).

So I see no reason why syncing wouldn't work on PWM oscillators.

hatembr 08.01.2004 07:01 PM

hmmm ok i think i got it
so a first waveform is the master and the other one is the slave, and the second's cycle is cut and restarted at every beginning of the 1st waveform's cycle?

Juho L 08.01.2004 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatembr
so a first waveform is the master and the other one is the slave, and the second's cycle is cut and restarted at every beginning of the 1st waveform's cycle?

Exactly!

hatembr 08.01.2004 11:28 PM

great 8)

at the beginning i misunderstood the concept, i thought both waveforms have to start at the same time and end at the same time... i didn't know the slave one has to be restarted depending on the first one's cycle...

Blank 09.01.2004 12:37 PM

Speakin of syncing...my favorite is syncing 2 sines or sine and try together and taking off the keyfollow of the second osc, modulating it a bit and puttin it to about 5-9 + semitone....and sometimes lots of detune, others no detune at all....sometimes u dont need it at all...

peace
Blank

hatembr 09.01.2004 06:29 PM

i tried it, i got an acid sound :)

Blank 12.01.2004 09:05 AM

yeah, there is all kinds of nice sounds u can get from doing that...alot of pvd sounds can be recreated this way...

peace
Blank

torte76 13.01.2004 12:43 PM

pw does not affect phase length
 
in my understanding, pw controlls the RATIO of the length of the two values of a square wave. the length of the whole phase is constant! pw determines when (within one phase cycle) the square wave switches its value. the frequency (which is the phase length) stays the same, only the point of time when the square goes through zero varies. Of course, the square goes through zero at every beginning of a phase cycle also.

hatembr 14.01.2004 12:37 PM

do u mean this:



the red distance is the phase/cycle, and it's always the same
the green which is the pulse width changes...


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