Nice i didnt know about detune adn phase init, i got a more fat sound now tnx!!
By the way here is an example of Bass wilth Filter Env amt combined with Decay filter
https://soundcloud.com/kolombo/kolom...alex-e-play-ur
I cant get even close of this sound..
i made this
https://soundcloud.com/rocksted/teste3c/s-h3oza
here is the preset
http://www.sendspace.com/file/i282eh
its the "Bass decay"name preset
maybe someone can help me =/