Virus classic desktop - wet/dry

[dharmatronic]

Hi guys,

I've been trying to find a way to control wet/dry function in the virus classic (same as B version) but without luck so far.

I'm using a LFO controlilng osc pitch and I didnt want to hear the midi note "behind" the effect. Is it possible to do that? to set the sound all way wet?

Btw, I know that the virus is not used as an external fx device... but I'm just wondering how i can control the midi note (dry) volume.

many thanks

[Timo]

Hi, I'm having a little trouble fully understanding you.

'Wetness' only applies to effects, as it controls how much the effect is blended with the 'dry' audio signal. It's a mixer.

For controllers, such as LFO, envelopes etc., you set the 'intensity' instead. The higher the intensity, the greater the modulation on your oscillators. This process is never blended with the 'dry' audio signal.

However, if you wanting the LFO to modulate all the oscillators together, instead of assigning one LFO per voice/note, set the LFO to "Mono" mode (as opposed to Poly). I think this is what you may be after.

If you're talking about the LFO waveform being randomly behind the beat, try using TrigPhase to specify where in the waveform the LFO should start, at the point of note-on. This will stop the LFO from being 'free running'. A TrigPhase value of 1 will always start the LFO at 0° (degrees) on note-on. A value of 32 will be 180° (halfway through the LFO waveform), etc.

A value of 0 will deactivate phase triggering totally and the LFO will be free running again.

[dharmatronic]

thanks, Timo, and I'm aware how "wet/dry" concept works... I just didn't know how to explain that... As you well said, must be the intensity parameter which doesn't seem to work in this case.

the intensity amount is affecting only the osc pitch and the more I turn clockwise to the left more it opens the osc pitch.

maybe if I explain this way will be easier to understand:

before I start to use the LFO I had something like a piano sound. after applied the LFO I still have the piano sound and the LFO modulation effect (you can clearly hear both).
What I'm trying to do (if it is possible) is to mix then, to sound together... or just get rid of the piano sound and keep the LFO modulaton effect.

=)

[Timo]

Originally Posted by dharmatronic

maybe if I explain this way will be easier to understand:

before I start to use the LFO I had something like a piano sound. after applied the LFO I still have the piano sound and the LFO modulation effect (you can clearly hear both).

Do you have the LFO modulating only one oscillator? Or two (out of three)? You have three main oscillators. One or two of them may not have the LFO applied to them, therefore you may be able to hear them in the background behind the LFO modulated osc. Now that would be like a wet/dry mixer (if you used the Osc Mix balance settings).

[dharmatronic]

I have the LFO 1 modulating OSC 1 pitch (+32) and LFO 2 modulating Cutoff (-32); OSC balance all left (OSC 1 selected).

I can only choose one OSC at time. (image)

I also noticed that "LFO 1 --> Transpose" is bringing a very close effect that I was searching for.

thanks Timo

[Timo]

In what way doesn't the LFO1 > Osc1 intensity work?

LFO1 > Transpose is the same as LFO1 > Osc1, just with a greater range. And it affects all oscillators.

LFO2 > Filter1 will only really work if you lower Cutoff1 in the Filter section (to halfway, about 64) to bring it down into the audible realm, allowing you to actually 'hear' the effect of the LFO working the filter.

[dharmatronic]

In what way doesn't the LFO1 > Osc1 intensity work?
Considering the I'm modulating LFO1 > pitch osc1; if entirely open the amount (+63) it will modulate higher freqs as well. Besides the "amount" option I didn't find any other control of intensity for LFO.

LFO1 > Transpose is the same as LFO1 > Osc1, just with a greater range. And it affects all oscillators.
I didn't know that. thanks. It seems to work.

LFO2 > Filter1 will only really work if you lower Cutoff1 in the Filter section (to halfway, about 64) to bring it down into the audible realm, allowing you to actually 'hear' the effect of the LFO working the filter.
You are right and that's why the cutoff is not open higher than 54.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by dharmatronic

In what way doesn't the LFO1 > Osc1 intensity work?
Considering the I'm modulating LFO1 > pitch osc1; if entirely open the amount (+63) it will modulate higher freqs as well. Besides the "amount" option I didn't find any other control of intensity for LFO.

For a destination of LFO modulation there only ever is one control for intensity. You either want none at all, a little bit, moderate, extreme, or anything in between. If you want a faster rate, increase the rate.

I'm still none the wiser about what you're trying to do. There is no blend function for LFOs. They're controllers, not audio processors. If you want an even greater range (intensity) for the LFO > Osc1 you can use the modulation matrix to set up a further LFO1 > Osc1Pitch source, destination and intensity.

LFO2 > Filter1 will only really work if you lower Cutoff1 in the Filter section (to halfway, about 64) to bring it down into the audible realm, allowing you to actually 'hear' the effect of the LFO working the filter.
You are right and that's why the cutoff is not open higher than 54.

What are you trying to achieve with the LFO filter again?

Think I'm going to have to let others try and make head or tail of it, I'm lost, lol.

[dharmatronic]

Hahahahah! Hey Timo , sorry for the mess I made.

I will upload an audio sample as soon as I get home.

*Btw, LFO2>cutoff is just part of the effect that I’m trying to achieve… but I still can’t figure out how to get rid of the piano note not modulated by the LFO (it only disappears when I set LFO>transpose)

[Timo]

Originally Posted by dharmatronic

I will upload an audio sample as soon as I get home.

No worries, I'd defo be interested in hearing it. Or if you upload the patch.

BTW I have the same Virus B too engine (Indigo 1).