question about MULTI SAVE MODE on KC

[pressure]

I am trying to figure out how to save multi's in the KC. Now, the manual says


To belabor the point, when you store a
MULTI program, only the content of the MULTI
edit buffer is saved, not however the sound pro-
grams in the PARTs. These must be stored indi-
vidually in MULTI SINGLE mode.


say I have it set to MULTI SINGLE MODE, by pressing both buttons, I go hit store, do I have to save EACH sound?

On my supernova II, I could save the entire multi to a place where it would save all 8 sounds of the supernovaII used for that multi. I could name the multi in the SNII, and when I saved the multi, it saved each sound already.

how is this done on the KC?

[Onkel Dunkel]

I´m not sure i understand the question but i will try to explain the difference between saving a single and a multi:

When you press store in single or multisingle mode you save the patch (and only the patch) you have selected. All sound details for the single sound is stored in a single, nothing more.

If you press store in multi mode you save a multi program. A multi program consists only of information of which patches are used on the 16 parts, which MIDI channel each part is using and what reverb/delay setings they have. A multi program does not contain any sound information.

So what does this mean:
Say you have selected 8 single patches for a multi. None of the sounds are changed so all you need to do is saving the multi. On the other hand if you are working on a multi and have created/changed 8 single patches you will have to save all the singles AND the multi. If you later change one of the single pathes used in one multi you will also have changed the sound in the multi...

I hope this makes sense

[pressure]

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

I«m not sure i understand the question but i will try to explain the difference between saving a single and a multi:

When you press store in single or multisingle mode you save the patch (and only the patch) you have selected. All sound details for the single sound is stored in a single, nothing more.

If you press store in multi mode you save a multi program. A multi program consists only of information of which patches are used on the 16 parts, which MIDI channel each part is using and what reverb/delay setings they have. A multi program does not contain any sound information.

So what does this mean:
Say you have selected 8 single patches for a multi. None of the sounds are changed so all you need to do is saving the multi. On the other hand if you are working on a multi and have created/changed 8 single patches you will have to save all the singles AND the multi. If you later change one of the single pathes used in one multi you will also have changed the sound in the multi...

I hope this makes sense

Yes and no.

on my supernova II I could save the multi program as one.

so your saying, if I tweak anything, I need to MANUALLY save each sound, AND also the multi? Why cant I just save the multi, and by saving the multi saves the tweaked sounds for that multi?

also, I found that it KC virus saved itself when I did not want it to, while in multi mode. Even when I shut the power off and turned it back on, it still had the settings that I never saved...

[Onkel Dunkel]

Originally Posted by pressure

so your saying, if I tweak anything, I need to MANUALLY save each sound, AND also the multi? Why cant I just save the multi, and by saving the multi saves the tweaked sounds for that multi?

Yes you have to save each sound. Don´t know why but this is the way the multis work on the Virus...

Originally Posted by pressure

also, I found that it KC virus saved itself when I did not want it to, while in multi mode. Even when I shut the power off and turned it back on, it still had the settings that I never saved...

Whenever you edit somthing it is moved to a edit buffer. This goes for both single and multi programs. So when you tweak something you are actually looking at the edit buffer and not the "real" patch or multi program. If you chose another patch or multi without saving the program will return to before you tweaked it. So if you presse patch select up and then down you are back to starting point...

[pressure]

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

Yes you have to save each sound. Don«t know why but this is the way the multis work on the Virus...



Whenever you edit somthing it is moved to a edit buffer. This goes for both single and multi programs. So when you tweak something you are actually looking at the edit buffer and not the "real" patch or multi program. If you chose another patch or multi without saving the program will return to before you tweaked it. So if you presse patch select up and then down you are back to starting point...

yes, but if thats the case, why did my multi program permenently save, when I never hit save? I never hit the SOTRE button, yet my appregiator patter I was using changed, and when I went and changed the multi and go back, it still was the same....

how I save my multi, hit multi, store, name it, and then save. Still dont understand why my app did not revert to the settings before.

[Onkel Dunkel]

The arp. pattern is not saved in the multi but in the single program. The only thing saved in the multi is which singles is used in each part, the delay/reverb settings, the MIDI channel used in each part, the keyrange for each part, the volume and pan of each part, the output assigned for each part, detune and transpose for each part, and maybe some settings i forgot. All sound information (except the global delay/reverb setting) is saved in the single program. You should read the part "all about the memory" (page 47), "multi mode parameters" (page 110) and "the virus and sequensers" (page 140) in the manual (and read the rest of the manual too ). I can´t explain what happened in your case...