Has song writing ever taken you near to the edge of dispair?

[Blank]

my problem is im more passive now adays so for me to tell some1 they are being totally ego maniacle is out of the question...so until i learn to be more affirmative i am very selective in the ppl i work with!!

peace
Blank

[jasedee]

Originally Posted by Blank

...so until i learn to be more affirmative i am very selective in the ppl i work with!!

Oh, for sure....you have to be! You even have to be choosy about your everyday friends and associates...

Those that are not happy, positive people, will bring out the worst in you, but those that are, inspire happiness within yourself

[Wandering Kid]

but i hate working with musicians...i have alot of knowledge in the area of music and i most of the time give 50-50 work ratio...but it utterly disgusts me when some with less experience wont listen to your ideas at all...or take a second to ponder on them...they just know better, better than anyone...

i think this is more to do with the people you work with as opposed to them being musicians. i occassionally work with musicians but more in a jamming capacity and so far, mostly for guitar jams. those jam sessions worked out pretty well despite the fact i couldnt always keep up with the key changes that were expected of me. both the guitarists ive jammed with in the past 3 months i would consider are better than i am. at least for the purposes of improvising everything (cuz they both have this knack for figuring out chords on the fly whereas it takes me a couple of seconds to work out in my head how to suspend a chord or add a 6th or 7th to it etc).

on the flipside, the people i write dance music with mostly come from a DJ background, with no musical experience and no sound engineering experience. so i find it very frustrating when writing a tune with them because i can see from a mile off that their tune is never gonna work when its going 25 dB over 0 cuz theres far too many instruments with prominant bass and sub. and i sometimes hate being left as the one that has to engineer my way out of messes like this. the last hard house track me and 2 friends co wrote i ended up ditching for this very reason. i got it down to about +10dB and more and more flaws kept emerging in terms of how the instrument timbres had changed, how thin some of the instruments sounded. i considered it irreversibly flawed.

i think i can sum it up as,

i hate working with people who i consider are faaar behind me or too far ahead of me in production and musical terms. i wouldnt particularly like working with someone who i considered alot better than me at producing because i dont feel i could really impact on a production that seems to be going fine without my intervention. likewise, i wouldnt really like working with someone who doesnt know what the hell they are doing because i seem to get very unproductive when this happens.

[Blank]

That seems good and all but there is one little flaw to what you are saying...it is what i meant in the first place...you dont go work with some1 better than you expecting to be an equal...you go and work with them expecting to learn from them...and showing your musical ability or production ability (whatever they are not strong at)...

and you dont work with ppl who think they are "musicians" yet have no talent in music...because that is a bad connection...they think they are the shit yet cant do anything to prove it...besides blab alot!! atleast unless you just want to have fun...

work with ppl for the right reason...or dont work with them at all...honestly i could give a shit and only a shit...i work with the type i work with because i get more out of it...whatever you get more out of keep doing it...

peace
Blank

[Wandering Kid]

yer ill agree with that. it just so happens the people i most enjoy working with are people who i think of as equals. not necessarily coming from the same angle as me. but people who work with you and you dont feel you are burdening them or they are burdening you and in the end it seems as if all people involved contribute as much as they can to a song in order to make it the best they can. and enjoyment is key, cuz if i dont enjoy what im doing, it really shows in the song. if you know what i mean.

[Blank]

I agree completely...its hard for me now because i have been pushed so many times by over bearing egotistical musicians...that when it comes to music i get really protective of my inputs on a song...and get suspicious of how much the other party is going to control the output of the song!!

peace
Blank