What do YOU know about The War? [VIDEO Inside]

[Onkel Dunkel]

Originally Posted by bishopkris40

I don't care who live next to me as long as they live a resonably good life and treat others as they treat them, I wish others would act the same.

I have no religious beliefs but respect that other people do.

I couldn?t agree more

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Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

First of all you should check where i come from before making a statement like that. I?m not american but danish (but of course Denmark should also give back the land they stole from Greenland and the Faeroe Islands as well) Second you should not take my statement literally but as a provokation since this is the main source of problem in the conflict (and not religion as some people might think). I know that many people are born there and have lived their intire life there and therefore they have the same right to live there as anyone else. The major problem is that the palestinian people have been thrown away from their original homes and doesn?t have the same rights as the israely people. The state of Israel is running an apartheid alike policy against the palestinian people instead of threating them as equals. My deepest wish for both the israellys and palestinians is that you could all live in peace and respect towards eachother in one big country (face it, Isreal isn?t a real country, just something taken out of a very old book ) but i doubt that this will happen for the next 50-100 years. If peace is to be restored (for a longer period than 2 or 3 month) then Isreal must give up some of thier land so that Palestine can be one country that is 100% independent and both Israel and Palestine should let eachother live in the country they disire.

Anyway, don?t get me wrong when refering to Israel and Palestine. I belive that most Israelly are great people that just want peace as well as i think most Palestinians are. It is the Isreally goverment and the fanatic movements (both jewish and muslim) that causes all the problems. I don?t think that Hizbullah or Hamas is the great saviors. Far from it, but i belive that the palestinian people have more reason and right to fight back Israel than opposite. Freedomfighters are not terrorist if they stay of civilian targets...

By the way; i don?t belive that humans lived along with dinosaurs and i belive that humans are very mixed with neandertals and i belive that the americans that nearly caused the extinction of an entire culture where a bunch of assholes. So was Spain, England, Holland, Portugal, China, Denmark and many more and some of them still is...

First of all, it doesn't matters where you're from, because someone lived there before you.
Watch the videos, cuz i can see you're sharing the same interests with Hezbollah and
Hamas, i'm not saying that it's wrong or anything because who am i to judge what's wrong.
Hezbollah said to Israel the same things. 1)Surrender. 2)Follow further orders from Nasrallah.
This would be a great solution because Nasrallah knows what he needs, he
knew it long time before even planning to kidnap israeli soldiers, it's in his interests, obviously.
Hezbollah could release the kidnapped soldiers and blame Israel for bombing Lebanon
for nothing, but Nasrallah choosed not to do it, he has different intersts.
The fact that Hezbollah/Hamas using innocent civillians as live shields - doesn't makes them
untouchable, it shouldn't make them untouchable by any means in a first place, don't you think?

As you claim that Israel is a fake/illegal country, i'd like you to prove that my Israeli ID card
is fake or/and illegal in one way or another, because as far as i know it was always accepted
in all countries that i've visited, with no problems. The current problem with innocent palestinians
from the territories, is that this particular generation isn't able to live in a regular society.
Doesn't matters how bad it may sound, but this is an important fact that should be taken
into consideration. Everytime Israel opens their borders under pressure from the UN or
other strictly political human rights organizations - israeli buses blowing up all over the
place as an answer from the innocent palestinians. This is how it works in the real life.
Personally, it's not my problem what happened here generations before, and it's
not palestinian's problem, there's no such thing as final solution to this conflict,
and history doesn't means shit when you have to deal with real-time situations.

Anyway, palestinian government is the one who don't want to be responsible for
their people, is the one who should be responsible for them in a first place, logically.
This government should do all the things Israel is doing right now. Personally i'm
up for some American/European millitary involvment in this situation, just to keep
Israel out of this as far as possible. That's in my own personal and selfish interests.
Religions are playing a very important part in this conflict, let's take for example the
religious jewish settlers or the religious muslim suicide bombers, it has fuck a lot to do
with religions. Different interpretations of different religions produces different results.
Btw, the famous journalist in the green helmet has been arrested for doing what he did.

[Onkel Dunkel]

The one with Isreal not being a real country was a joke (therefore the: ). Of course it?s a country now but it hasn?t any historically reason to be where it is except that some extremist jews belive that god gave the land to the jews and therefore they have the rights to it witch is far out IMO. I know that certain countries and extremist groups would like to have Israel removed from the world map. I don?t agree with this but i do think it was a big mistake that the state of Israel was founded. Now it?s there and it?s to late to do anything about it...

I know that there?s a heck lot religion in it now but what i meant was that the main cause of the conflict is non religeous and this has to be solved one way or another.

About using civilians as human shields. Is isrealy lives more important than libanese? Sound like it since you think it is ok to bomb civilians as long as it?s because Hizbullah uses them as shields. I think it?s equally wrong no matter what side of the border the civilians come from. If it was up to me they could send all the extremists on both sides to another planet where they could fight until no one was left. Then all the peace loving people left could live happily everafter

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Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

The one with Isreal not being a real country was a joke (therefore the: ).

My sense of humour's licence has expired, but i will download the latest updates soon.

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

Of course it?s a country now but it hasn?t any historically reason to be where it is except that some extremist jews belive that god gave the land to the jews and therefore they have the rights to it witch is far out IMO.

Only 3 of the biggest religions claims that Israel was there more than 2006 years ago, but religions aren't historical facts.
About the jewish extremists who's settlements has been removed by Ariel Sharon's order last year, are a small group of
religious fanatics who used to live the "settler" way of life for generations. This particular group of people is quite small
(in terms of active members) and everything they ever do is living in those ridiculous tents under the worst conditions ever.
That's their choise, their activity considered as illegal by the israeli laws, and this is the reason all those settlements are
getting deconstructed by special IDF units and millitary police forces, usually in a matter of 48 hours, as it's done lately.
Btw, after a suicide bomber goes off, it'a also 48 hours before his house goes bulldozed down to the ground by default
settings, same 48hour rule applies. Anyway, Palestinian families are getting enuff money to buy 3 houses from each skull of shahid.
Not from Israel though. But still, how ironic.

About democracy, i don't like it, i don't believe in it, and i think it's a dangerous thing to any civilized society. Democracy must have at least some reasonable limits, the problem is that any possible limits are obviously limiting democracy, and by doing this they're interrupt the general ideas of democracy (the freedom of speech for example). What's the problem with this you may ask? Why anyone would dictate any fuckin' limits? The problem is, as we can see, that overusing democracy automatically turns democracy into a perfect anarchy. There's a system error integrated into the core of democracy, but this is the way this core was engeneered in the first place. Democratically speaking, there should be no limits to the freedom of speech, but Practically speaking - there must be at least some reasonable limits to the anarchy of overused democracy. Demagogy is the best known instrument to manipulate and customize democracy for your personal needs to suit your own agendas. But i'm not saying that Communism or Socialism are any better or worse than Democracy or than each other, i believe that it's all about the perfect balance between 3 of them, that's what people really need. Too bad that the majority of people would never understand this.

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

I know that certain countries and extremist groups would like to have Israel removed from the world map. I don?t agree with this but i do think it was a big mistake that the state of Israel was founded. Now it?s there and it?s to late to do anything about it...

I think that the whole idea of Zionism has been failed big time, basicly for similar reasons as Democracy. It wasn't engineered propertly to even start with it in a first place. On another note, without Zionism i wouldn't post this reply right now, i just want you to know it. It's a long story from 15 years ago, but i wouldn't get deeper into it right now.

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

I know that there?s a heck lot religion in it now but what i meant was that the main cause of the conflict is non religeous and this has to be solved one way or another.

Three of the most famous religions are deeply involved in this conflict, and at least two of them are very active. Of course there's lots of other reasons like political and/or financial interests of different countries to support different sides of this conflict, world's media financial interests to make their quick $ from cheap propaganda(every war in the history involves propaganda) and lots and lots of smaller but not less important reasons.

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

About using civilians as human shields. Is isrealy lives more important than libanese? Sound like it since you think it is ok to bomb civilians as long as it?s because Hizbullah uses them as shields.

In a perfect world (well, almost perfect) Israeli lifes are more important to Israel and Lebaneese lifes are more important to Lebanon, but the world isn't perfect, and the use of human shields is a hard reality that Israel has the "pleasure" to deal with. The paradox is, that Hezbollah should not become totally untouchable by using live-shields under any circumstances (as this thing can't be allowed for obvious reasons - those who's been attacked by Hezbollah can't respond in any way except surrendering), so it means that any practical responce will make you a murderer of innocent woman and children. This is the situation, and there's no other way, there may be lots of theoretical ways but no practical ones. Actually there's couple of psychological/religious solutions to put an end to this whole generation of brainwashed suicide bombers without use of any weapons at all, but no government in the world would never ever allow anything like this to be used.

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

I think it?s equally wrong no matter what side of the border the civilians come from. If it was up to me they could send all the extremists on both sides to another planet where they could fight until no one was left. Then all the peace loving people left could live happily everafter

They will fight where they always used to fight, they've born to fight and they're ready to die as fallen fighters in a holy war of religions, ideologies and civilizations...
Btw, on another forum there's a better emoticon to show sarcasm, this one:

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"Cant we all just get along!"

XOXO,
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I would sue Ehud Olmert for war crimes, what he did in the last 3 days of the 1'st phase
of this war is unacceptable in my book, and wrong on so many levels. He's a fuckin fuckstard.
Well, i'm not even talking about Fuad Seniora or his ghay friends Hassan Nasrallah and Kofi Annan.