The musicians are almost extinct

[Khazul]

Originally Posted by Monobeat

You'll have to pry them out of my cold dead hands.

This can be arranged

[Monobeat]

I've decided to move deeper underground. As suspected by myself and several others that should remain anonymous, the Infekted posse has scouts/ sniper all over the country listening with their highly sophisticated techno detection/ synthesizer decernment gear, and are waiting to move in and "off" those people suspected of not being good keyboard players.

I suggest...

1) Relocating
2) Switching to polka.
3) "Donating" at least 1 piece of gear to me for long term inspection.

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by Monobeat

I've decided to move deeper underground. As suspected by myself and several others that should remain anonymous, the Infekted posse has scouts/ sniper all over the country listening with their highly sophisticated techno detection/ synthesizer decernment gear, and are waiting to move in and "off" those people suspected of not being good keyboard players.

I suggest...

1) Relocating
2) Switching to polka.
3) "Donating" at least 1 piece of gear to me for long term inspection.

Noo!

You can't play live 16th notes on 210bpm speedcore/gabber... you arent a musician , you should only use casio !

[suzzymackenzie]

Hmmm ... reminded of Leonard Cohen's 'Jazz Police'

I'm much less sniffy than I once was about what constitutes a musician - for instance, shifted my stance about turntablists. Still think there is special status for the ability to perform your work live to an audience, because music is inter alia a communication medium and nothing enhances that more than actually being there. A couple of days ago I went with my daughter to her first 'open mic' session at a local music pub. She's an avid consumer of mainstream production-heavy pop and used to that level of sonic quality. But as we listened to an amateur guitar/perc/accordeon trio delivering a [snobbishness] technically flawed [/snobbishness] but fun tune she turned to me grinning and said 'Aren't they GOOD?!'

[meisenhower]

Let's just say on this subject, some of us simply disagree about what constitutes a "musician", but do it without being disagreeable.

To those of us who have taken the "long" view about learning our craft, we are naturally going to be sensitive about broad comments like "practicing scales for 8 hours a day is a waste of time, when one could be learning how to make commercially successful music". It's like being dismissive of Thelonious Monk, because he didn't sell one platinum album in his lifetime.

As it was pointed out, some electronic music would be physically impossible for ANYONE to play at certain tempos, however that is the nature of that particular beast. No argument here on that point. I won't discuss the relative "musical" merits of a 210bpm song, but to each his own.

If you're a knob twiddler, loop slicer or beat maker, and you're making music and it makes you happy. All the better.

If you simply pick up your guitar, strum to your hearts content and enjoy doing it. Great.

If you're a practice wonk and live for scales and theory and want to master as much of your chosen instrument as possible, have at it.

The music world is certainly big enough for all of us.

[IamEvil]

Originally Posted by meisenhower

Let's just say on this subject, some of us simply disagree about what constitutes a "musician", but do it without being disagreeable.

No , lets not "just say"

This is just a way for you to "rosey up" what is basically YOUR incorrect understanding of the term musician.

Your views on what a musician is are irrelevent. I've already showed you what our language defines as a musician. This isn't something that you can change to suit.

So I guess then I will be "disagreeable". Sorry

To those of us who have taken the "long" view about learning our craft, we are naturally going to be sensitive about broad comments like "practicing scales for 8 hours a day is a waste of time, when one could be learning how to make commercially successful music". It's like being dismissive of Thelonious Monk, because he didn't sell one platinum album in his lifetime.

That may have applied when taken from the actual context that was intended. Why didn't you quote the complete part I stated.. oh yes , it wouldn't suit your silly argument. Hey , let me do it for you..

There is no point trying to learn to play a certain style when it isn't going to bring you closer to the goal you desire. Why waste 8 hours a day practicing keyboard skills when it could be used in learning how to produce professional sounding sellable music ?

There you go ,

Now please explain how practicing scales for 8 hours a day will help in the composition of music that doesn't require you to play live ?

If you're a knob twiddler, loop slicer or beat maker, and you're making music and it makes you happy. All the better.

not really , the world is full of smug arrogant people who love to visit internet forums to try and pull other people down.

The music world is certainly big enough for all of us.

Obviously not by the first post in this thread.

peace

[meisenhower]

Evil, you are certainly living up to your name.

I don't wish to mince words with a wanker with an inferiority complex about their lack of skills, and I'm certainly not trying to "rosey up" to anyone (least of all you).

Be disagreeable, as that is one area that you seem to have "talent". Talent making music? Haven't heard any thing that would suggest that, sad to say.

Since when does practicing 8 hours a day limited to someone playing in a particular "style?" Do you think that long practice is the bastion of only classical and jazz musicians?

Because I have practiced 8 hours a day (certainly when preparing to play a classical concert), but also to develop the requisite technical ability on my instrument to not limit what I can play. Practicing 8 hours a day will eventually give you mastery over your instrument of choice. It also instills discipline into a person and teaches and rewards patience.

There is something to be said for mastering something in one's life (and Evil has mastered making "multiple quote" responses in his replies. I guess all that technical machine experience is paying off.

It's no different than years of advanced study at a university, or formal training in the other arts (painting, sculpture). Sure, anyone with a canvas, brush and paint can create something (and in some rare instances, a truly gifted individual comes along and breaks all the conventions), but having studied the formal techniques, knowing about color and composition and years of practice and study is the path to a career.

I don't understand why anyone would think that dedication, fortitude and the desire to be as proficent as possible, through whatever measures necessary can be a waste of time, and not see the value proposition.

I'm certainly not trying to put anyone down, with the exception of maybe . . . oh never mind.

Lastly, I wasn't the first post on this thread, as my first comment happened around page 3 or 4. There are people in front of me that don't share your opinion, Evil! What a shock.

[Khazul]

Originally Posted by IamEvil

Noo!

You can't play live 16th notes on 210bpm speedcore/gabber... you arent a musician , you should only use casio !

I count an arpegiator as a live performance tool for doing that of shit