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Old 07.10.2019, 03:05 PM
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Default Waldorf Kyra

Walkdorf just shipped their first batch of synths. Should be interesting to see the reviews and watch it develop. I personally think FPGA synths could be one of those technologies that has a substantial impact on the music landscape.

https://waldorfmusic.com/en/kyra

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Old 09.10.2019, 09:04 PM
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Should certainly be interesting. Wasn't impressed with the demo video, at all, but I think that's potentially more a limitation of whoever programmed those patches, rather than the hardware itself. You'd need to find what the Kyra's strength is and what it is good at, what it can do that others can't. Often it's the quirks that make hardware a classic/killer, rather than the bread and butter sounds we've all made and heard before.
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Old 10.10.2019, 08:53 AM
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IMO, the Kyra is a bag of missed opportunities for a newly designed synth, and I don't see anything the Virus TI2 can't do or isn't even better at. Killer for me:

- No DAW intergration (and Waldorf leaves that to third party developers, which didn't work for the Blofeld either)
- Only 8 Parts
- No unison
- No user waves
- USB 2.0 for multi channel 96kHz audio streaming. That's the same sort of mistake that was made with the Virus (which effectively runs at USB 1.1 speed). The problem is not the single unit, but all those devices together sharing the USB bus.
- Limited effects, especially missing distortion types
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Old 11.10.2019, 08:54 PM
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Although I won't come to any conclusions until I've seen a LOT more real-world reviews, I think the selling point of the Kyra is that FPGA offers a much more powerful synth.

For example, from the manual:
"Effects: Nine module stereo effects unit per Part with a 3-band shelving EQ, a FormantFilter, 5-mode Distortion module, dual Limiters, stereo delay module, 6-stage Phaser with dedicated stereo multishape LFO, Chorus/Flanger module supporting comb and doubling effects and a Reverb module. All 72 effects modules can be used simultaneously without affecting polyphony

https://support.waldorfmusic.com/fil...anual%20EN.pdf

With regard to unison, you can stack up to 20 sounds in dual mode and or layer them (more on this in the manual).

Most of the early reviews I saw of the Kyra commented on things like killer polyphony, killer reverb tails, etc. At the same time, every Virus owner I've ever talked to on the matter feels it sounds great with one or two sounds at a time but is a very polyphony starved synth. It's not the fault of the Virus, it is based on older Motorola DSP chips that were good stuff in their day, it's just that their day was 20 years ago and Kemper hasn't kept up.

I agree with the USB 2.0 implementation though -- not sure what they were thinking there.
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Old 11.10.2019, 11:12 PM
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I think the perceived standalone quality and clarity of the algorithms in isolation, such as the oscillators, filters and effects, et al, are more important.

You can have all the polyphony in the world, but if the algorithms are sterile added unison/poly won't make it sound any better, it'll just end up a cacophonous wall of noise.

Even with the Virus, cranking up the poly can make stuff sound convoluted. Dialing back the poly/unison brings back clarity.

Less really can be more.

I look forward to hearing other demos.
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Old 11.10.2019, 11:35 PM
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I think the perceived standalone quality and clarity of the algorithms in isolation, such as the oscillators, filters and effects, et al, are more important.

You can have all the polyphony in the world, but if the algorithms are sterile added unison/poly won't make it sound any better, it'll just end up a cacophonous wall of noise.

Even with the Virus, cranking up the poly can make stuff sound convoluted. Dialing back the poly/unison brings back clarity.

Less really can be more.

I look forward to hearing other demos.
For me, poly and unison aren't necessarily intertwined (except in the sense that more unison = less polyphony). Note-stealing is just one of my personal peeves I guess. If I want a release of a certain duration on a given part, I don't want the CPU deciding to short circuit the note because it ran out of resources. Yes, too many notes with too many long releases can muddy each other up, but from a musical standpoint I want my ears to make those decisions, not compute resources.

Unision is the "fatness" of the sound, and yes sometimes less is more. But in terms of poly, to me stealing of notes is never a good thing. Physical instruments like pianos or guitars do not have polyphony limitations, and it's always been a downside of the digital age that synths do. 128 actual voices, with zero chance for contention is a pretty good selling point for a synth.
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I'll try to add demo vids that have been created since the unit's release as I come across them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlgiJMnWwe4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RETtniQCKs

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