Problems with polyphony and latency

[Storm Music]

Thanks, Paul.

That's exactly the same thing I'm experiencing...

It really sucks, since I primarily use it for live concerts...

Did not have any problems of that kind with my old indigo...

Pretty lame that this problem has not been adressed by access...

[marc]

Originally Posted by Storm Music

Thanks, Paul.

That's exactly the same thing I'm experiencing...

It really sucks, since I primarily use it for live concerts...

Did not have any problems of that kind with my old indigo...

Pretty lame that this problem has not been adressed by access...

have you been in touch with access support?

best, marc

[Storm Music]

Originally Posted by paulkeeley

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i've talked to support about this a number of times and it is apparently a known issue, but there is no fix forthcoming. i guess they're focusing all their effort on the VC integration...

No, I haven't talked to support about this exact matter, but apparently Paul has... And with no luck...

I did create a ticket regarding the polyphony problem, but they told me to try less dsp power demanding waveforms and less fx and less release and stuff like that.
But the thing is, I did not buy the TI2 to downgrade the power of my sounds from my indigo. On the contrary I was expecting it to kick ass on my indigo - which is certainly not the case...
Also the converters in my old indigo seems more clear and distinct... IMO

[paulkeeley]

But the thing is, I did not buy the TI2 to downgrade the power of my sounds from my indigo

it's funny you mention that - i've been toying with the idea recently about picking up a used B (or C), just to have a solid Virus in the studio. but then i wouldn't have all the wonderful oscillator types i've been spoiled with using the TI. it's just such a shame so little attention has been given to the standalone side of things.

btw, sent another helpful reminder to support, we'll see if they've made any headway (not holding my breath). OS4 seems like it offers a lot of really cool features, but it's useless to us if we can't play back notes in time.

cheers,
paul.

[marc]

Originally Posted by Storm Music

No, I haven't talked to support about this exact matter, but apparently Paul has... And with no luck...

you should consider that option.

marc

[Roby31]

It's "funny" to see people saying "Access didn't care about the standalone" when everybody else says that standalone mode works better. I have no timing issues whatsoever in standalone mode, using my TI2 desktop, cheapass m-audio ks 49e - and my patches sure as hell aren't DSP-easy. 6 mod slots, 3 lfos fully used, delay + reverb + distortion + character, 2 hypersaw + 4x unison and I still get to play with some polyphony

[Storm Music]

Thought I might mention that by stand-alone, I mean "live".
I'm gigging a lot with my virus TI2 - and I did a whole lot of touring all over the world with my old indigo (which passed away after years of duty).
And IMO there's no doubt:
The Ti2 has an issue with processing several notes at a time if you start using just a little more than 2 voices...
Never ever had that problem with my indigo...
And no, I'm not just untight...

[paulkeeley]

Originally Posted by Roby31

It's "funny" to see people saying "Access didn't care about the standalone" when everybody else says that standalone mode works better. I have no timing issues whatsoever in standalone mode, using my TI2 desktop, cheapass m-audio ks 49e - and my patches sure as hell aren't DSP-easy. 6 mod slots, 3 lfos fully used, delay + reverb + distortion + character, 2 hypersaw + 4x unison and I still get to play with some polyphony

interesting, this is very different than my experience. MIDI timing is really quite bad with my TI, even when using the USB (ruling out my MIDI interface).

would you be perhaps interested in trying a test for me? i created a test project in ableton a while back to illustrate my point, that other users on this forum were able to reproduce (the thread has since been deleted) - i'd be very curious to know if you are experiencing the same issues. if this is a hardware issue specific to my unit, i'd very much like to know, although support was able to replicate the problem (almost a year ago now).

i'll compile the test shortly and post it here when ready.

[paulkeeley]

ok i've uploaded the test project if anyone is interested to try it out. the project is saved in Ableton Live7 format, but the recorded audio files from my TI are there (pay no mind to the start points). the MIDI is just a repetition of the same 8-note chord quantized to 8th notes. also included is the sysex of the single test patch i created to illustrate the issue:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=2...c5322c2d2fe635

for each recorded audio file, i changed OSC1 to a different oscillator type, starting with a classic sawtooth. oscillator balance is at 50%, and OSC2 does not change at all. i turned the filter cutoff down and set the filter envelope to a quick decay (sustain at 0) and moderate release. same goes for the amp envelope. otherwise, there are no effects, no doubling, etc. just plain-jane synth sounds that should not be taxing the DSP at all.

i've sent the same project along to Access support, but i'd be curious to know if anyone else has the same issue.

[Roby31]

Will this work on a demo version? Live is not my daw of choice

edit: doesn't open on a demo version of live 8, windows 7 x64.