Transmitting Virus arppegiator over MIDI

[Timo]

Hi, I'm wanting to transmit the Virus's arpeggiator patterns to a second sound module over midi.

Thing is, it transmits the arp messages, but also sends a single sustained note-on held for the duration too, so the resultant sound output from the sound module sounds really cluttered.

Changing patches on the second sound module while holding down the arppegiated Virus notes returns the arp pattern back to normal.... Until I change key on the Virus arp.

Anyone know what's happening, and how to cure it please?

(I'm using the Indigo's keyboard to play/trigger the Virus's arpeggiator, and have linked it to the second sound module via Midi.)

Thanks

[Khazul]

Switch off 'soft thru' in config?

[Timo]

Thanks. No change, though. =/

It's like the Virus is not de-activating the non-arpeggiated notes when playing the arpeggiator, so you have two layers of notes being sent at the same time: 1) the whole chord you're pressing, and 2) the arpeggiated notes of the chord running over the top.

The only workaround is by activating arpegiator "Hold" and releasing the keys on the Indigo as soon as I've played them, but it isn't fluid when changing chords as you get a double note-on as the two layers clash.

[Khazul]

Bug then I think, mail to Access Support (http://www.access-music.de/emailsupportform.php4)?

[Onkel Dunkel]

Is it possible that you are transmitting both the keyboards MIDI out and the appegiated notes? Is there a "keyboard transmits MIDI" on/off setting? If yes, turn it off. You could also make a track in your sequenser with the "long notes" (the keys you press to make it appegiate) and play it back to the Virus while recording the Virus on another track. Another thing is that you must make sure that your sequenser doesn?t play back the appegiated notes to your virus or it will appegiate the appegiated notes causing a loop (which will sound wierd, i?ve tried it myself). Turn off MIDI out on the channel you are recording on...

[Timo]

Thanks, guys. Tried everything, even had the Virus and Trinity linked via just one midi cable, Virus > Trinity, so there was no loop.

Anyhow, here was the (very speedy!) response from Access, which explains things more:-

"Thank you for your mail. In this case I'd recommend to use the multimode and to use one PART to trigger the internal notes of the Indigo 1 and a 2nd PART with the particular Arpeggiator patch, that then transmits the Midi notes of the arpeggiator.

"The Virus allows you to set whether a PART transmits Midi or if a PART doesn't. In Single Mode the Virus definitely will send out both the Arp and the notes triggering the ARP, if it also works as a masterkeyboard."

Cheers,

Timo

[Khazul]

From Access: In Single Mode the Virus definitely will send out both the Arp and the notes triggering the ARP, if it also works as a masterkeyboard.


Hmmm - I would classify that as a bug/broken behaviour, whether by design or not :)

Normally when I swithc a synth to send arp - it will normally stop sending the notes played/received and just send the arp notes.

Sending both is definately not useful :)

[Timo]

Hmmm - I would classify that as a bug/broken behaviour, whether by design or not :)

Normally when I swithc a synth to send arp - it will normally stop sending the notes played/received and just send the arp notes.

Sending both is definately not useful :)

I agree with that. My MC505 transmits just the arp patterns too, when activated. It's really useful.

Is this buggy midi arp transmission issue the same for the C and TI series, too?

[Khazul]

Just spent a few minutes re-checking every midi noise generating contraption I have that has some arp type function in it - not one of them (other than the TI) exhibits this behaviour.

Time to report it as a bug :)


BTW - who was the reply from - tk?

[Timo]

Just spent a few minutes re-checking every midi noise generating contraption I have that has some arp type function in it - not one of them (other than the TI) exhibits this behaviour.

Time to report it as a bug :)

BTW - who was the reply from - tk?

JH, without wishing to implicate anyone directly. ;) To be honest I don't really know how multi-mode works, lol. With it being an Indigo v1 I sometimes use all the voices so never really used it outside of single mode, to discourage possible note-stealing and stuff. ...All those new acronyms and new navigation to learn, too. :|

Is the 'bug' apparent in your TI, too?

[Khazul]

Yeh - the first time I thought the timing was just screwed up, then it quickly became evident what was actually happening - I had thought I had got around it somehow (but I guess not) - it was months ago that I last tried using arp send.

[Elektrobolt]

"Thank you for your mail. In this case I'd recommend to use the multimode and to use one PART to trigger the internal notes of the Indigo 1 and a 2nd PART with the particular Arpeggiator patch, that then transmits the Midi notes of the arpeggiator.

The Virus allows you to set whether a PART transmits Midi or if a PART doesn't. In Single Mode the Virus definitely will send out both the Arp and the notes triggering the ARP, if it also works as a masterkeyboard."

If it's by design, then it's intended behavior, and not a bug. But that is not elaborated on in this response mail.

This may not be what the TI users desire... so SHOUT! (to Access-Music support!!!)

[Khazul]

If it's by design, then it's intended behavior, and not a bug. But that is not elaborated on in this response mail.

This may not be what the TI users desire... so SHOUT! (to Access-Music support!!!)

Erm no - you can have bugs in implementation, and you can have bugs in design, but the implementation of the buggy design was correct :)

Therefore still a bug - but you cant blame the dev guys for this one :)

[diy]

If they don't fix the bugs in 1.1 they should quit as a company. I see many frustrated users as time goes by and I want to shout: Fuck you access. Give us a stable TI or go to hell. I've had enough with your total disintegration. And don't tell me that I've got to update to sp2 beacuse your machine isn't stable enough to deal with my midi interface.

[Khazul]

Can allways tell when the sun has gone down...

[Elektrobolt]

If it's by design, then it's intended behavior, and not a bug. But that is not elaborated on in this response mail.

This may not be what the TI users desire... so SHOUT! (to Access-Music support!!!)

Erm no - you can have bugs in implementation, and you can have bugs in design, but the implementation of the buggy design was correct :)

Therefore still a bug - but you cant blame the dev guys for this one :)

I didn't dispute that you can not have bugs here or there (at ANY stage in development), but that IF something is "made by design", then it is not a bug, merely a behavior that is intended to be that way (and of course then, not necessarily satisfactory to end users).

Kind of like Microsoft. They do a lot of things that may appear to be bugs, but when researched, they're found to be "by design", hence not a bug.

I also did state that; whether this particular behavior (arp/action transmission) is caused by design, the mail did not say...

[Khazul]

Kind of like Microsoft. They do a lot of things that may appear to be bugs, but when researched, they're found to be "by design", hence not a bug.

Well - they try, but dont allways get it right either - they just have alot more people to argue about it with :)

[mnj]

LMFAO someone doesnt have sp2 yet? JESUS. What are you doing on the internet? LOL.

[Hollowcell]

Hey I was running Windows 98se on my Daw until about a week ago! If things are wroking perfectly I feel there is little reason to upgrade. Still though, now that I have a computer which has a bit more guts, I probably should have upgraded a few years back. :D

Actually speaking of Windows....Who was it here that is working for Microsoft? I'm sure someone mentioned they were. Anyway I got myself an English copy XP sent from home for my new DAW. Is there any other way to register it without going online or ringing the toll number?

I don't like setting up anything other than music software on my DAW, and I don't wanna pay a toll to register XP, when XP already costs as much as it does.

Sorry to highjack the thread a little, but who was that??

[Khazul]

Actually speaking of Windows....Who was it here that is working for Microsoft? I'm sure someone mentioned they were. Anyway I got myself an English copy XP sent from home for my new DAW. Is there any other way to register it without going online or ringing the toll number?


Its me.

You can also activate by modem - heres a support article on it:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307890

[Hollowcell]

Ahh, I'm glad I didn't imagine that it was someone here.
Thanks Khazul! :D

[soundmagus]

Hello ALL ;)

I see this has still not been fixed in OS 2.7 !!!!!!!!

Or am i missing something?

All i have done is turn on "arp note send"

Here are my results with pictures and sound if anyone is interested.

I hope i have missed somethign because if not this is totally unexceptable for just a basic issue to not have been resolved.

MArk

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?nlz2j2mikjy

Its a link to a rar file with 4 pictures and the corresponding audio file.

[Monobeat]

I use arp send constantly of my setup to avoid arp timing issues, then I quantize the arp notes on the sequencer. Try using an external midi controller instead of your VIRUS KB to control your Virus, this may help in this situation.

[soundmagus]

hi Monobeat,

How would using an external controller make any difference? infact how would an external controller play the VC?

Sorry i didnt mention i was doing this through the VC !

All i want are the notes from the arp as they should be so i can
then screw around with them, lazy mans arps if you will :)

SM