Which one ???????soundcard

[The girl next door]

Which one should i go for ???
http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff400.htm
OR
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Konnekt24D

The RME is more expensive but that don't matter as long as the one i choose runs stable at very,very low Latency.
I want to run Live on my Laptop live.............................

[The girl next door]

The RME is more expensive but that don't matter as long as the one i choose runs stable at very,very low Latency.
I want to run Live on my Laptop live.............................
Then again 8O its nearly double the price....Shitttt http://www.musik-produktiv.at/shop2/shop04.asp?artnr=100030634&sid=!18121995&quelle=volltext&such_inx=596785

[Tomer=Trance]

check out the EMU 1606M for laptops ,it comes with cardbus.
and its around 350 euro which is far less then RME or TC.

[Timo]

Surely your Motu Mk2 is pretty good enough already? Hook up an ADAT 8i/o card (the Behringer will do, in this case) and away ye go...

[The girl next door]

Surely your Motu Mk2 is pretty good enough already? Hook up an ADAT 8i/o card (the Behringer will do, in this case) and away ye go...
The Motu is staying with the Main Music PC i want the other for my Laptop(Live 5.03)...
I was talking to Robbie at the Frankfurt Music messe and i phoned up a Guy from Tech support TC yesterday and they both said the Konnekt is amazing and knocks spots off Motu and RME 8O .
Better sound,Latency and different Firewire Chips for Transfer rate-i think.
Anyway the lower i go with my samplerate with the MOTU the better the Ti runs but i get Asio problems with Korg,Zeta and other heavy VSTis.
so i have to up my sample rate thus Ti running not so good.
I need this New card for my Laptop as said but i will also try it on the main PC and if it runs better than the MOTU then the MOTU is history :arrow:

[jasedee]

Well of course a guy that works for TC is gonna say their card is better :roll:

How long has TC been making soundcards for???? Hmmmm.......

AND, tis the same with any new piece of kit: NEVER BUY THE FIRST LOT OF THE PRESS.

You are just asking for trouble. If you really want the TC card, wait a while for all the suckers, erm, I mean beta testers, erm... I mean first customers to report issues, stability etc.

I would go with RME, but thats just me....

[Tomer=Trance]

well i got the impression you just need a soundcard which will give you stable drivers and low latancy so why spend so much money on something you dont realy need,are you realy going to need high-end convertion on your portable setup?

if your fixed on medium to high end class,another option from RME which can be used with laptops is the multiface 2+cardbus or 2ndhand first generation multiface+cardbus.

[Drammy]

I agree with Jase,

I think its too soon to go for the TC, especially on the back of a TC sales rep's advice.

But there again I am a very happy RME user...

[The girl next door]

Your right about the TC card i didn't think about that :wink:
Ummmmmm. RME or E-MU ????
It will not only be used for Live Performances.
Overtime at work for the RME :)
Less beer for the E-MU :wink:

[ten]

I had the Fireface for about a year, very nice little card with pretty solid drivers.

Avoid anything by emu like the plague.

ten

[grs]

I took a Fireface 800 out for a recording gig on a shitty 1.8Ghz P4 laptop and recorded 8 channels of 96k 24bit for over 4 hours no probs. The pre-amps are the best I've heard. You can turn the gain all the way up and hear creaks and fridge noises all over my house even with cheep sure mics. There is no self noise which I was accustomed to with even Manley solid state designs.

That's just an impression from someone who hasn't tried any of the other stuff your looking at.

[The girl next door]

Avoid anything by emu like the plague.

ten
Why?????
People on the sound on sound Forum think its (E-MU) a good card
Or you just pulling me pisser :lol:
...............................................
I know RME are the one of the best if not the best.
So why did you get rid of it ??

[ten]

The sos people are fucking idiots, they always defend the underdog even if it is shite. Emu is cheap kit with low quality parts. The drivers and mixer software are bloated buggy pieces of shit and they run like arse at low latency. Believe me, I used to own the 1212 and it was a heap of cheap shit. The documentation was bollocks and the support was even worse. My first card (M-audio 2496) slayed it in every possible way it could. They had like 3 driver releases for the 1212 in 2 years and it didnt fix fuck all, actually it made more problems. The fireface had like 20 driver releases in its first year, always updating shit every couple of weeks.

I got rid of the Fireface because I didnt use half of its features and I wanted a pci card instead of a firewire device (added latency with firewire). I also always wanted a Lynx (sound quality is a bit better than RME) and am getting an Aurora16 to go with it in the next couple of months. Lynx also have slightly better drivers than RME at low latency (I have tested this extensively with the guys on the Nuendo forum.)

If your serious about music then spend a few quid on a decent card, its worth it in the long run and will save you hassle than if you go cheap arse.

ten

[techno_7]

Avoid anything by emu like the plague.

Since when?!? Mine is working like a sweet dream!

[Timo]

The sos people are fucking idiots.

Easy there, tiger.

They certainly didn't champion the Creative Shitblaster stuff when that was the "underdog". As a result everyone was wary about the Emu stuff when it first came out ("was it a re-badged Creative s/card?" etc.), but it was proved unfounded, and an excellent soundcard for its money.

I would've gone for the 1616M, but my new laptop didn't have an old-skool PCMCIA card slot, so I went for the Motu Traveler which was partly a compromise as it was firewire as opposed to PCI (of the PCMCIA). Couldn't justify the price of the RME as I'm merely an enthusiast.

[ten]

Of course some users will be running the emu stuff with no problems, but they have a huge userbase of disgruntled users and complaints (not to dis-similar from the virus TI ;) ), a ton more than I have ever seen for other makes of card.

A few people I know who have purchased emu cards because they are cheap have binned them because of so many problems/issues and gone with RME (of course paying a more), and now running happily.

I stick by my opinon that emu are a cheaply made card with poorly written drivers and bloated patch software. If you have the money shell out for Lynx, RME, Motu, Echo, Maudio in that order, you will be over the moon with the performance of the first two.

ten

[mr.e]

i'm using the fireface 800 with a firewire 800 cable...is there a difference in latency between using normal firewire cable or firewire 800?

[Tomer=Trance]

i'm using the fireface 800 with a firewire 800 cable...is there a difference in latency between using normal firewire cable or firewire 800?

its just a faster firewire protocol,the older one is 400.

[Timo]

You need an 800mbit firewire connection/chip to take advantage of the added bandwidth of the Fireface, of course. Most mainstream PCs are 400mbit, i think.

[mr.e]

yeah i'm on a g5

[grs]

i'm using the fireface 800 with a firewire 800 cable...is there a difference in latency between using normal firewire cable or firewire 800?

Hey I'd like to know that also, I'm running my Fireface 800 on the 400 firewire at the moment. I have an 800 port on the PC mobo but no 800 cable.

[Tomer=Trance]

i always thought its the same firewire cable (400 and 800) but if you say its not then whats the deal?
if your DAW is compateble just get an 800 cable.

[grs]

It's a very different cable, I've looked everywhere in my area but have only found a 0.5meter 800 cable when I want a 3 or 5 meter one. I guess I will get on online somewhere to test the latency theory.

[mr.e]

yeah let us know if you find out anything ...its very interesting

[grs]

I found this on audiomidi.com
http://www.audiomidi.com/aboutus/reviews/edge_rme_ff800.cfm

One fact to keep in mind, using the ?faster? FireWire 800 will not give you lower latency than the original FireWire 400 spec. Rather, the increase in bandwidth will allow for higher track counts over FireWire 400. Not to fret, if your computer only has FireWire 400 you will still get all the low latency capabilities of the RME FireFace 800

[Khazul]

Avoid anything by emu like the plague.

ten
Why?????
People on the sound on sound Forum think its (E-MU) a good card
Or you just pulling me pisser :lol:
...............................................
I know RME are the one of the best if not the best.
So why did you get rid of it ??

EMU is basically a creative audigy - or at least their PCI cards are.

Different DSP code, different output and preamp circuits as well.

EMU got themselves a really bad rep when they first released the PCI cards. I wouldnt stick them in the same category as RME and TC.

As for the crap driver rep - well I understand they got alot of help from creative after and their drivers are stable now, but not exactly the ultra low latency (and apparenty reliable) marvels that the RME drivers are.

If I was buying an audio interface at this time - I think I would go with RME, though I have to confess to rather likeling the features of the MOTU interfaces - especially as the price seems to have dropped on them. The down side with MOTU is the got a poor rep with early driver on the PC - I havnt researched since to find out if that is still a worry + what I have works nicely, but I wish the drivers would get updated and get better performance (Grrrrr @ Yamaha for poor support).

[Tomer=Trance]

why not go with the new Fireface 400? its almost half the price of the fireface 800 and the same quality of preamps and convertors.

i wish i had some spair money for that one 8O