Patch Recall issue with ver 1.06R2 - Confirmed - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum

Doc Jones · #1 13.11.2005, 12:07 AM

can anyone with a similar setup (cubase sx 3.1 and TI 1.06r2 confirm?)
Essentially since upgrading to 1.06r2 I can no longer confidently save my tweaked sounds when saving a cubase song (could do this before). I basically would create a new song in cubase, open the virus TI and load a sound into 1 or more parts, tweak the sounds to my liking, make a groove, save the song in cubase and then close out. When I reload the same song, the TI loads with the right patch, but the sound is all messed up, its like it added massive distortion, delay etc to the patch. I basically have to redo the patch from scratch which drives me nuts as sometimes I tweak a sound for an hour or two looking for "that sound". I have confirmed this with other songs as well, even just minimizing one song in cubase, opening another - making a new song, then when going back to the first minimized song (with ti patch) the ti patch is all hosed up. Can anyone confirm this? I am currently just using the TI via usb, but may switch back over to midi cable for reliable sysex transfers of tweaked sounds. (This really stinks as I lost a really good song - can't remember the tweaking I did to get the sound I was using)

My specs - Windows XP SP2 | P4 3.0 | 2.0GB Ram | Sata Drives |
Echo Layla 24 | 3xUad-1 | Cubase SX 3.1 | Virus TI 1.06r2

Doc Jones · #2 13.11.2005, 12:37 AM

ok, I am not one to complain just for the sake of it, but man this really has pissed me off. I just tried getting one of my sounds back, I can get close, but no cigar. I just had two people who heard the original song, say "it still sounds real good, but it's not quite the same". ARRGHHH.
ok, end of rant.

grs · #3 13.11.2005, 01:14 AM

Doc, I can emulate a 'forget' using Virus Control to edit FILTER ENVELOPE - ATTACK. Save and load goes back to other attack.
The work around for this is to edit using the front panel of your TI then edit FILTER ENVELOPE - ATTACk, this is then saved properly in your Cubase song.

As for the exploding distortion notes, this happens if you play a note to the TI when its loading Virus Control. Sometimes it triggers a note by itself. Press PANIC and it goes away.

I'll see if my pre 1.06 r2 load ok and post back.

Doc Jones · #4 13.11.2005, 01:42 AM

thanks for looking into this grs. are you using cubase sx 3.1 as well?

grs · #5 13.11.2005, 01:58 AM

Doc Jones · #6 13.11.2005, 05:36 AM

ok, here is the latest - same exact issue. I can confirm this over and over again and with simple tests. Open new song in cubase, load up the virus TI, select sound for TI, record midi part - everything is great. (no tweaking of sound). Close song in cubase, then reload and now sound is really messed up -detuned, distorted etc.
Here is what I did to try to fix this
1. Reinstalled 1.06 drivers/software and firmware - no good.
2. Uninstalled 1.06 and went down to 1.05 software/drivers - no good.
3. Reinstalled 1.05 this time with firmware - no good.
4. Reinstalled cubase 3.1 - no good
5. Installed cubase 3.1.1.944 update - no good.
6. Reinstalled 1.06 drivers/software and firmware - no good.
7. Tried a new usb port - no good.

I have just wasted a whole night/possibly lost a few good songs and now need to start over for a song that HAS to be completed in about two weeks.

Besides this issue, my system is running flawlessly with everything else - hardware/software. My computer is a dedicated daw and is not connected to the internet. Plus my virus is plugged into a highend surge/ups.

As you can see, slightly frustrated here. Any suggestions very much welcome!!!

Doc Jones · #7 13.11.2005, 06:06 AM

8. Just tried using the external analog outs of the virus (instead of the usb for audio) - no good.

Essentially, everything sounds great when I load it up and play it. Record midi in cubase and playback - great. It's when I close the song and reload it where the problem comes in. It sounds like the oscillators get hosed with the reload.

ok, enough troubleshooting for tonight!

ben crosland · #8 13.11.2005, 07:47 AM

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?

Doc Jones · #9 13.11.2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ben crosland

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?

That's a very good question and so far the answer is no, there are definitely changes being made to the loaded sound. One thing I am finding is that the LFO rates are set to 1/64 after reloading (without me adjusting them). After adjusting the rates back to the original - the sound gets closer to the original tweaked sound, but it still sounds very gritty and distorted. I took a look at all the other pages (OSC, FX, etc.) and nothing else is different, I just can't track down what is making the sound all gritty, muffled and distorted.

ben crosland · #10 13.11.2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Jones

One thing I am finding is that the LFO rates are set to 1/64 after reloading (without me adjusting them).

Curiouser and curiouser.

What build of the VC does it show on the Common page, out of interest?