high frequency clicks on pad sounds

[Groove66]

Thanks Steamy B for confirming this.

It seems that we have a bunch of TI users who are a little too protective about bad rep, those who seem to stand by thier Virus Ti's and claim to hear no pops and clicks, which is complete rubbish imho.

If Access know about it, and they claim to be able to reproduce the same clicks on reported patch names, then it seems that it's across the board on all units from desktop to polar ti.

I have asked a few users on the net, and some of them say they have no clicks, which i seriously doubt. They must be deaf honestly, i would really love to prove them wrong.

Who knows, maybe these few people work for access

[Khazul]

Originally Posted by Groove66

Who knows, maybe these few people work for access

I would doubt that - my experience so far has been that if they can reproduce a problem - they are open about it.

As far other users saying they had no problem - maybe thats true, or maybe they didnt try for long enough - who knows?

Standalone mode for most people isnt actually completely standalone - usb is probably still plugged in, and the TI is probably on external MIDI sync - either could be causing sufficient change in CPU use inside the TI to mean the clicks occur for one user on a given patch and not another.

The mere fact that it takes a variable amount of time to occure should tell you its perfectly possible for one user to experience the problem and not another, and of course can make it harder for Access to reproduce it.

Originally Posted by Groove66

I have been told that 'some clicks' are expected when changing from a patch to another patch (due to parameter changes), and also some clicks appear when moving any 'knobs' due to digital parameter changes.

The 'any' bit of that statement seems a little odd. There are certain paramter changes which are almost guranteed to cause a click - changing distortion types for example - basically anything that can result in changing the overall signal path rather than just change a param of something allready in the signal path. Similar could in theory occure when moving mix/send params to/from zero on delay, reverb, chorus and phaser or switching in osc 3, changing osc type, filter modes etc or changing osc phase param as these all involve a hard signal change. Probbaly never heard on the fx mix params as the 1 value is still nearly inuadiable.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I experienced faint poping and clicking noises on most patches when i had the TI. At the time people were suggesting it was a potential clipping issue and that reducing the patch volume would eliminate it. Well in my case this made no difference at all.

I bought my TI a full 2 years after they had been released. I was suprised to find it shiped with OS1.01.......and even more suprised to find the word 'DemoSong' stuck on as a sticker and not silk screen printed onto the chassis. Yes siree.....my TI was one of the oldies......conveniently passed on to me for a premium price, courtesy of Turnkey.

The whole experience kinda reminded me of when the early DX7's rolled off the production line and the Yamaha guys stuck MIDI legends on as stickers before getting round to proper silk screening them on.

The problem with complicated equipment these days it that its getting harder and harder to trouble shoot problems. Who really knows whats causing these pops and clicks? Is it the patch volume being set to high and clipping? Is it your soundcard? Is it your computer being a silly billy? Is it your soundcard.....maybe the drivers are conflicting with you printer? Maybe you have a dirty power supply and your TI hardware is super sensitive to little spikes in the supply? Or maybe there is a little glitch in the TI OS? Maybe a glitch in the DSP code for one of the effects (the delay seems to be a culprit sometimes). Ah, but maybe its not....because ive heard clicks and pops when all the effects have been switched off. Or maybe its a little capicitor or transistor in the output stage which has the wrong tolerance....maybe thats whats causing it. Maybe its the...... ..... ................. .. . ............. ... .. ............. ................. .... .. . .. . .. ...

........and once upon a time you could switch on a synth and instantly get down to the business of making music. All this high technology......is it really worth it? It really does change the creative process. Musicians have to be trouble shooters to get their equipment to work how they want as well as being song writers.....or is it just me?

DS

[steamyb]

Painfully correct sir

But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I can say is, this problem with snaps, crackles and pops (sounds like an ad for a cereal), is evident with only the power lead connected and a set of headphones. So why should this be related to USB, midi, drivers, souncards, inputs, outputs and shake it all about puts.

It feels like the TI has been released about 3 or 4 years too early.
In my opinion (and I'm sure you'll have your own) the TI should never have been totally integrated, it should have remained as a hardware synth only. Access could have released a controller keyboard with a software plugin package.

Just my thoughts, no shouting at me please!
I'm tired and on night shift



Digital Screams "phylosopher in music tech"

[Groove66]

Steamy B. any news yet?

Cheers

[steamyb]

Hi Groove

No sorry I've still no reply from Access as yet!
Just this minute E-mailed them again.

I wonder if it's going to be a major new OS update, it's been a couple of months since the last one.

previous versions were released frequently like every 4 or 5 weeks so I'm expecting one pretty soon.

[Groove66]

Hi SteamyB

I just heard back from them actually, and still they are not sure whats going on. They can reproduce these clicks, so it's not like we have special Ti's

The thing is, if they dont do anything about it, then go ahead and release something new instead, they should offer some sort of upgrade path, otherwise current users will be seriously pissed...no doubt.

If i dont see any improvments on these clicks in the near future, i am just going to give up and keep the unit for what it is. It looks amazing and sounds great on the majority of patches. I'm loosing so much time and energy over this whole thing, it's just not worth it.

The funny thing is, i was listening to some of my recorded patches that have clicks on them through my Samsung TFT speakers (such tiny spakers) and could not even hear any of these clicks at full volume or lower. They appear on high resolution speakers and most good headphones. I hear them on my Genelecs and Adams as well as my cans, but not on small speakers.

But god knows how many of the rest of the Ti users can actually hear any of these clicks in the first place. Some just don't care (like chap i spoke to yesterday on another fourm - he knows about them but ignore those patches), some live with it (that will be me soon), and others are hoping it's an OS issue (i hope so too).

PS: i have found another Ti user that cannot reproduce clicks on Rom B 49 Halo MS. Maybe he didn't try long enough, not sure. The same goes for ROM F 19 Cremoma HS, i heard no clicks on his mp3 clip through my headphones. He sent me an mp3 clip of the 3 patches and i was suprised to hear no clicks on the first 2 patches. But he did get quite a few clicks on that patch 127 Zeepad in Rom O, which i did hear on this mp3 clip.


Lets see.