question about MULTI SAVE MODE on KC

[Onkel Dunkel]

The arp. pattern is not saved in the multi but in the single program. The only thing saved in the multi is which singles is used in each part, the delay/reverb settings, the MIDI channel used in each part, the keyrange for each part, the volume and pan of each part, the output assigned for each part, detune and transpose for each part, and maybe some settings i forgot. All sound information (except the global delay/reverb setting) is saved in the single program. You should read the part "all about the memory" (page 47), "multi mode parameters" (page 110) and "the virus and sequensers" (page 140) in the manual (and read the rest of the manual too ). I can´t explain what happened in your case...

[pressure]

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

The arp. pattern is not saved in the multi but in the single program. The only thing saved in the multi is which singles is used in each part, the delay/reverb settings, the MIDI channel used in each part, the keyrange for each part, the volume and pan of each part, the output assigned for each part, detune and transpose for each part, and maybe some settings i forgot. All sound information (except the global delay/reverb setting) is saved in the single program. You should read the part "all about the memory" (page 47), "multi mode parameters" (page 110) and "the virus and sequensers" (page 140) in the manual (and read the rest of the manual too ). I canÇt explain what happened in your case...

well, it seems to me the KC virus, (or maybe all virus products) are not very user friendly.

so the steps to save a multi is more then just STORE, RENAME, and save? The KC virus is more time consuming and can confuse someone such as my self, who has used the extremely user friendly super nova II synth for years.

I am reading the manual, but its not making any sense. Or rather, I am confused on weather I should sell the virus, because it only has 1 delay for all 16 parts,

and to save, you need to save the multi (17 times) 1 for each 16 part, and one for the multi, correct? If this is the case, I feel the virus is crippled and I can not work like this....

I imported some new sounds in the virus, which I think its great, but now when I save, I see "MULTI Stored but take notice, there are some edited singles."

I dont know what this means, all I am trying to do is save my multi, can you explain the exact steps, because I dont understand the virus messages.

[ledge]

The multi only saves what patches are in the multi. So if you have a multi saved and edit one of the patches in it, you then only have to save that patch as a single and you don't need to re-save the multi.

The only things other than the patch numbers that are saved are the midi channel for each patch and the reverb/delay settings as you can't have different reverb/delay settings for multiple patches on the Virus C, if you want that get a Virus TI.

[Onkel Dunkel]

Originally Posted by pressure

well, it seems to me the KC virus, (or maybe all virus products) are not very user friendly.

I have no problems with it but i guess it´s a matter of taste and getting used to working with it...

so the steps to save a multi is more then just STORE, RENAME, and save?

No that´s about it but only for the multi program.

I am reading the manual, but its not making any sense. Or rather, I am confused on weather I should sell the virus, because it only has 1 delay for all 16 parts,

Yes that a downer. The Virus TI doesn´t suffer from this problem...

and to save, you need to save the multi (17 times) 1 for each 16 part, and one for the multi, correct? If this is the case, I feel the virus is crippled and I can not work like this....

Yes and no. If you choose patches that are already programmed and needs no tweaking the you only have to save the multi. The multi program contains information about which patch number are chosen for each part (ie. part 1 = A110 Robotvoice JM, part 2 = B019 Bounce JM, etc.). If you need to tweak a sound you have to save it as a single.
Example:
You want to change the resonance setting of part 2 which is patch A023. To save the setting you have to save the single program A023. You don´t have to save the multi again since it already knows that part 2 is patch A023 (you saved this earlier when you saved the multi program).

I imported some new sounds in the virus, which I think its great, but now when I save, I see "MULTI Stored but take notice, there are some edited singles."

I dont know what this means, all I am trying to do is save my multi, can you explain the exact steps, because I dont understand the virus messages.

This means excatly what is says. You loaded new data into the single patch memory so you have to save the singles that has changed. You don´t have to save the multi to save the sounds. Just the single you have altered/loaded a new patch to. You only have to save the multi when you changed a parameter in the multi program just as you only have to save the single if you changed data in the single.

The way i usually work is in multisingle mode. I choose or program my sounds for the individual parts in multisingle mode. When i´m done tweaking/programming a patch i save it as a single program. When i´m done selecting patches for the parts in the multi i go to multi mode and save the multi.

[pressure]

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

I have no problems with it but i guess it«s a matter of taste and getting used to working with it...




No that«s about it but only for the multi program.



Yes that a downer. The Virus TI doesn«t suffer from this problem...



Yes and no. If you choose patches that are already programmed and needs no tweaking the you only have to save the multi. The multi program contains information about which patch number are chosen for each part (ie. part 1 = A110 Robotvoice JM, part 2 = B019 Bounce JM, etc.). If you need to tweak a sound you have to save it as a single.
Example:
You want to change the resonance setting of part 2 which is patch A023. To save the setting you have to save the single program A023. You don«t have to save the multi again since it already knows that part 2 is patch A023 (you saved this earlier when you saved the multi program).



This means excatly what is says. You loaded new data into the single patch memory so you have to save the singles that has changed. You don«t have to save the multi to save the sounds. Just the single you have altered/loaded a new patch to. You only have to save the multi when you changed a parameter in the multi program just as you only have to save the single if you changed data in the single.

The way i usually work is in multisingle mode. I choose or program my sounds for the individual parts in multisingle mode. When i«m done tweaking/programming a patch i save it as a single program. When i«m done selecting patches for the parts in the multi i go to multi mode and save the multi.

well I just started a hip hop track, found a sound, tweaked it, saved the multi, but then when I changed from one to the other, I noticed the sound was there, but the sound was not tweaked!

Maybe its just me, but the supernova did not suffer from this, all I needed to do was save the "multi" and tweaked sounds were saved.

when you say the virus TI doesnt "suffer" from these things, is it the same way?

I love the sounds of the virus, but its user interface is confusing. I dont know how to save a single sound, if I am in multi mode. Single sounds saving is suppose to be for the single sound mode! Or at least thats how I learned. Keep in mind this is my second hardware synth.



the multi mode is suppose to save the tweaked sounds.

How much can I get for a KC virus 61 note keyboard? I cant find them on ebay, so I dont know what to ask for, or ask to much.

[Onkel Dunkel]

Originally Posted by pressure

well I just started a hip hop track, found a sound, tweaked it, saved the multi, but then when I changed from one to the other, I noticed the sound was there, but the sound was not tweaked!

As i said earlier; you have to save the SINGLE program if you tweak a sound. Multi´s doesn´t contain sound information...

Maybe its just me, but the supernova did not suffer from this, all I needed to do was save the "multi" and tweaked sounds were saved.

This is not the way the Virus works...

when you say the virus TI doesnt "suffer" from these things, is it the same way?

No, i meant that the TI doesn´t suffer from only having one global delay/reverb. The TI has one delay/reverb pr. part...

I love the sounds of the virus, but its user interface is confusing. I dont know how to save a single sound, if I am in multi mode. Single sounds saving is suppose to be for the single sound mode! Or at least thats how I learned. Keep in mind this is my second hardware synth.

There is single mode, multi mode and multisingle mode. If you press store in single mode you save the single, if you press store in multimode you save the multi and if you press store in multisingle mode you save the single on the part you have selected. When working with a sequenser i always use multisingle mode and only go to multi mode to save the multi. It´s very simple actually. Here´s a step by step to how i would create a multi with 2 tweaked patches:

- press [multi]
- select empty multi
- hit [store] and name multi
- press [multi] and [single] together to go to multisingle mode
- select part 1 with [part] button
- select patch for part 1
- tweak away
- hit [store] to save tweaked single
- select part 2 with [part] button
- select patch for part 2
- tweak away
- hit [store] to save tweaked single
- press [multi]
- hit [store] to save multi

Voila!!!

the multi mode is suppose to save the tweaked sounds.

Not on the Virus...

How much can I get for a KC virus 61 note keyboard? I cant find them on ebay, so I dont know what to ask for, or ask to much.

No idea...

[pressure]

Originally Posted by Onkel Dunkel

As i said earlier; you have to save the SINGLE program if you tweak a sound. Multi«s doesn«t contain sound information...



This is not the way the Virus works...



No, i meant that the TI doesn«t suffer from only having one global delay/reverb. The TI has one delay/reverb pr. part...



There is single mode, multi mode and multisingle mode. If you press store in single mode you save the single, if you press store in multimode you save the multi and if you press store in multisingle mode you save the single on the part you have selected. When working with a sequenser i always use multisingle mode and only go to multi mode to save the multi. It«s very simple actually. Here«s a step by step to how i would create a multi with 2 tweaked patches:

- press [multi]
- select empty multi
- hit [store] and name multi
- press [multi] and [single] together to go to multisingle mode
- select part 1 with [part] button
- select patch for part 1
- tweak away
- hit [store] to save tweaked single
- select part 2 with [part] button
- select patch for part 2
- tweak away
- hit [store] to save tweaked single
- press [multi]
- hit [store] to save multi

Voila!!!



Not on the Virus...



No idea...

ok, thats more of something that I can understand.

I was wondering, once I do save these sounds, say I imported another soundset of patches into the KC virus, will the KC virus, granted that a user saves the multi correct, will it remember the sound on the KC if I import new patches?

[Onkel Dunkel]

Originally Posted by pressure

I was wondering, once I do save these sounds, say I imported another soundset of patches into the KC virus, will the KC virus, granted that a user saves the multi correct, will it remember the sound on the KC if I import new patches?

I´m not sure i understand your question correctly. Do you mean if you are using for example patch A123 as part 1 in a multi, save the multi, forget about it and load a new sound to A123, will the multi still sound the same? Answer: No!!! You changed the sound and thereby the contents of the multi...