does the TI sound more dynamic and lush when in single mode, non usb?

[Doc Jones]

Originally Posted by sdrr00

i was planning on using the virus via USB, but if analog is much better quality then analog it is. i just havent used analog before.. its the blue port on the sound card correct?

id use this cable to connect from the virus ti to the sound card, assuming im right about the blue port?: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1093469826662

what kind of sound card do you have? My assumption is that if you have to purchase those cables to connect your gear to it, then it is a consumer grade card, not a professional one. In this case you would be better off using the usb connection for your audio.

[sdrr00]

Originally Posted by Doc Jones

what kind of sound card do you have? My assumption is that if you have to purchase those cables to connect your gear to it, then it is a consumer grade card, not a professional one. In this case you would be better off using the usb connection for your audio.

i have the asus xonar d2x.. from what i can see it doesnt have analog in, only SPDIF. i know it supports 192khz/24-bit analog, just dont know how to connect it. the fact that it "supports" it might mean i need an adapter of some kind

[Doc Jones]

Originally Posted by sdrr00

i have the asus xonar d2x.. from what i can see it doesnt have analog in, only SPDIF. i know it supports 192khz/24-bit analog, just dont know how to connect it. the fact that it "supports" it might mean i need an adapter of some kind

I believe both the "line input jack" and the "microphone jack" would both qualify as analog inputs. But the problem is these look like unbalanced 1/8th inch jacks whereas the virus has 1/4 inch balanced outputs. So you would be going from two or more 1/4 inch balanced outputs from your virus to only 1 1/8th inch (unbalanced?) input on your soundcard. not quite sure what that would do to your signal. Plus, the cards converters make all the difference in the world and I don't know much about Asus's converters. Just for comparison here is the sound card I am using. As you can see I go directly from balanced 1/4 inch outs (from the virus) to balanced 1/4 inch ins on my card before I hit the converters.

[TheHobbit]

As said it all depends on what you are comparing it too and usoing in the signals path a way to explain this is thus...

Laymans terms

Using your eyes look at something familiar...a white painted wall.

Now close one eye...does it look any different? (mono - stereo)
Now with both eyes open look at the same wall whilst wearing a set of low end sunglasses (USB lets say)
Now look at the same wall with another a better set of sunglasses (your soundcard).
You are using the same set of eyes and looking at the same wall.
What has changed is the sunglasses and assuming they are different then you would have noticed a variation in 'tone' of the white wall and 'scope' with one or two eyes open.

Analogy explained :

Your eyes = the soundsource (waveform)
The wall = your speakers the end product of what you see
The sunglasses = what ever components are carrying the audio signal from the source to your speakers.

I really must stop visiting forums in the early morning ....

[sdrr00]

Originally Posted by Doc Jones

I believe both the "line input jack" and the "microphone jack" would both qualify as analog inputs. But the problem is these look like unbalanced 1/8th inch jacks whereas the virus has 1/4 inch balanced outputs. So you would be going from two or more 1/4 inch balanced outputs from your virus to only 1 1/8th inch (unbalanced?) input on your soundcard. not quite sure what that would do to your signal. Plus, the cards converters make all the difference in the world and I don't know much about Asus's converters. Just for comparison here is the sound card I am using. As you can see I go directly from balanced 1/4 inch outs (from the virus) to balanced 1/4 inch ins on my card before I hit the converters.

here are the ASUS XONAR D2X sound card converters:

24-bit D-A Converter of Digital Sources: TI Burr-Brown PCM1796 *4 (123dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit).

24-bit A-D Converter for Analog Inputs: Cirrus-Logic CS5381* 1 (120dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit).

from what i read, these are VERY good, so i dont think i will be sacrificing quality. as you can see, the support 192khz/24bit, which is the same as the virus, right? the problem is now whether the unbalanced 1/4" to 1/8" will change or distort the signal in anyway, or will it act as a regular 1/4" to 1/4" balanced input?

the first one is the Digital to Analog convertor.. that would apply to the SDPIF correct? if they are both the same quality coverters, what would be the difference between using either of them

[Doc Jones]

if you have been reading good reviews about those converters then that is a good thing. The D/A and A/D converters are separate from SPDIF. If memory servers me correctly, SPDIF is a protocol for transporting data (in this case audio data) while keeping it in the digital domain. No conversion takes place from when the data stream leaves your virus to when it enters your computer for processing. On the other hand, when you use the analog outs on your virus and want to get that data into your computer, it must be converted into digital data in order for your computer to understand it. This is the Digital to Audio conversion (D/A). Once that data is in your computer and you have processed it, you will probably now want to hear it - it must therefore be converted back into the analog realm - this is the Analog to Digital conversion.

[Doc Jones]

as far as going from 2 balanced 1/4" jacks to the 1 unbalanced 1/8" jack, I am not too sure. Perhaps someone else can chime in on that.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by sdrr00

here are the ASUS XONAR D2X sound card converters:

24-bit D-A Converter of Digital Sources: TI Burr-Brown PCM1796 *4 (123dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit).

24-bit A-D Converter for Analog Inputs: Cirrus-Logic CS5381* 1 (120dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit).

from what i read, these are VERY good, so i dont think i will be sacrificing quality. as you can see, the support 192khz/24bit, which is the same as the virus, right? the problem is now whether the unbalanced 1/4" to 1/8" will change or distort the signal in anyway, or will it act as a regular 1/4" to 1/4" balanced input?

You wont be able to run balanced analogue audio from the TI to your soundcard's stereo 3.5mm line-input jack. It'd have to be of the domestic unbalanced type.

To use the analogue outputs of the Virus in this case, you'd need a cable that has two standard 1/4" mono jacks at one end (to make up a L and R pair of channels from your Virus) and a 3.5mm stereo jack at the other end (to put into your soundcard's line-input socket). You shouldn't have too much signal degradation if cable lengths are kept relatively short. The longer the cable, the more noise it stands to pick up.

the first one is the Digital to Analog convertor.. that would apply to the SDPIF correct?

No. That D-A figure applies to your line-out (from the soundcard to your speakers), not your SPDIF input.

You SPDIF input will be at either 44.1KHz or 48KHz at 16-bits. The signal doesn't vary or degrade from those figures. It's locked at that quality. If you pipe audio down your SPDIF, it comes out the other end of the cable exactly the same (44.1/48KHz at 16-bits). Whereas analogue stands to degrade/change.
But the SPDIF uses the same frequency and bit-depth as the USB output, so you may as well use that, unless you want to take a punt at the analogue outputs. However, as you only have 1x stereo analogue input on your soundcard, you will only be able to use a pair of outputs from the Virus's analogue outputs, and they will be unbalanced.
With the USB you have 3 stereo outputs from the Virus.

[sdrr00]

Originally Posted by Timo

You wont be able to run balanced analogue audio from the TI to your soundcard's stereo 3.5mm line-input jack. It'd have to be of the domestic unbalanced type.

To use the analogue outputs of the Virus in this case, you'd need a cable that has two standard 1/4" mono jacks at one end (to make up a L and R pair of channels from your Virus) and a 3.5mm stereo jack at the other end (to put into your soundcard's line-input socket). You shouldn't have too much signal degradation if cable lengths are kept relatively short. The longer the cable, the more noise it stands to pick up.

since my soundcard runs at 192khz/24-bit, i want to take full advantage of both the Virus and the soundcard by using the TIs analog connection to my soundcards Line-In, using this cable: http://www.amazon.com/Monster-IP200-...8639323&sr=1-3

however, my only concern is the loss of quality when using non-balanced analog cables. how much quality could i potentially lose by using this cable? since my soundcard can capture the TI at its 100%, i dont want to have to use SPDIF or USB (which both run at 48khz/16-bit max, correct?) if analog is possible. how can i get the maximum out of my Virus?

[wavesinspace]

Just want to bump this thread and continue this discussion... Im very suprised at the poll results being near 50/50 on this...


Just to clarify the poll a little better, we should be doing 3 comparisons,

1. the sound of the virus in single mode, without using virus control at all.

2. the sound of the virus in virus control mode, 1 patch loaded.

3. the same as #2 but with direct output engaged.