Namm 2013

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

And another thing, tell me one softsynth that does what the virus does - that has similar modulation options, for once, and the number of oscilator options, so forth and so on... If Virus was a plug-in, and only that, it would rule that world. If it was just hardware, same same...

I really don't want to get into a debate here on hard vs soft synths. I'm a fan of both... but have you ever looked at the modulation possibilities of something like Zebra? There are lots softsynths out there that let you literally modulate anything via anything, especially ones with modular or semi modular architectures. When I had my Virus Ti2, the possibilities VC afforded at that time (2009 I think?) were not even close to the versatility of Zebra, though admittedly I have not had my hands on VC recently.

[TweakHead]

Originally Posted by MBTC

I really don't want to get into a debate here on hard vs soft synths. I'm a fan of both... but have you ever looked at the modulation possibilities of something like Zebra? There are lots softsynths out there that let you literally modulate anything via anything, especially ones with modular or semi modular architectures. When I had my Virus Ti2, the possibilities VC afforded at that time (2009 I think?) were not even close to the versatility of Zebra, though admittedly I have not had my hands on VC recently.

yep, need no introduction to that one! Zebra is one of my favourites as well... What I meant was that it is still kind of rare to find fx parameters as modulation destinations, or something like Random for source, or the level of option for oscilators, for example, in just one synth - and it is... and why not say Reaktor? cause that would blow even the Nord Modular out of the watter when it comes to available options, right? But the point is the Virus, despite having a lot more to it, has almost a standard subtractive layout, that's very flexible - like we all know - but that's it, and on that championship, it still kind of ownes it. The filters to me are still the best sounding out there...

But yeah, couple that with the ability to draw waveshapes like on the Zebra, possibly even user wavetables, samples, so forth and so on... and it would be the beast to rule them all. some copying of massive's kind of lfos would be cool to, btw eheh

just give us a new beast to play with access - with no usb bugs on it! and we'll start a new access music religion right here

[namnibor]

Wonder why USB 3.0 is not exploited by hardly ANYONE? Would a new Ti benefit with Firewire 400/800 or like I said, USB 3.0 rather than USB 2.0's inherent limitations? It's hard enough to even find a high quality pro audio interface exploiting USB 3, let alone external hard drives with it. Thoughts on this?
robert

[Berni]

Originally Posted by namnibor

Wonder why USB 3.0 is not exploited by hardly ANYONE? Would a new Ti benefit with Firewire 400/800 or like I said, USB 3.0 rather than USB 2.0's inherent limitations? It's hard enough to even find a high quality pro audio interface exploiting USB 3, let alone external hard drives with it. Thoughts on this?
robert

There is also thunderbolt which seems to be gaining popularity. Looking through the latest sweetwater catalogue I see quite a few manufacturers adopting this connectivity for there gear.

[namnibor]

Originally Posted by Berni

There is also thunderbolt which seems to be gaining popularity. Looking through the latest sweetwater catalogue I see quite a few manufacturers adopting this connectivity for there gear.

Is "Thunderbolt" a propriatorial Apple product or is it being employed by PC's as well? I ask because a few months ago I had a professional custom-build powerful desktop/tower to use solely for audio and video intensive editing/production, having a few USB 3.0 and Firewire 400 as well as eSATA and is an AMD based system. Thunderbolt was not an option at the time for these pro geeks that built this for me.
Here's the scoop of poop with anything faster than USB 2.0 in-relation to say a couple hard drives with no less than 7200 rpm, 64 mb cache: The manufacturers of hard drives, external or internal, will ALL use the wording "transfer speeds UP TO 6 GBsec"....however the problem is that inherent faster/top transfer speeds are not utilized because USB 2 or even USB 3 devices do not actually transfer that fast and correct me if wrong, but Firewire 400 and USB 3 are comparable in speeds. When I use eSATA for an external third drive of same speed and cache soley for samples for like Izotope Iris's sample library, I actually get faster transfer with eSATA than even USB 3.
Sorry so long here but I guess I am asking why eSATA never really has been exploited expecially since eSATA goes right to motherboard and very fast memory for audio interfaces? I have read too, that USB 2 causes so many issues because USB 2 prefers to be propriatory in a direct connection and works great for audio but midi can be hit and miss. Lastly, I have found that whatever computer I may use, there's no problems as long as I use the EXACT SAME USB 2 port that I initially set-up audio interface with unless I want to go through reinstall procedures.

[namnibor]

....**MAYBE** I should wait a bit when Access releases whatever they have up their sleeves, then get an used Virus Ti2 a bit cheaper when people start selling to buy the "next Virus"?
On a side note, Elektron's 'Analog Four" is being released Dec 3, and it's official in the FACT they are releasing it VERY incomplete. So much in-fact, not even an operational manual because they are not sure if all features can even be implimented~!! The device does not give me any GAS whatsoever because it seems to me to be a quasi-copy of DSI Poly Evolver BUT without the poly-thing and absolutely no wavetable osc's either. What's up with the ethics of companies releasing BLATANT incomplete products? Could this just be simple greed and expense of nervous systems of humans? I do not get it!
Back to the Mothership!

[Berni]

Originally Posted by namnibor

....**MAYBE** I should wait a bit when Access releases whatever they have up their sleeves, then get an used Virus Ti2 a bit cheaper when people start selling to buy the "next Virus"?
On a side note, Elektron's 'Analog Four" is being released Dec 3, and it's official in the FACT they are releasing it VERY incomplete. So much in-fact, not even an operational manual because they are not sure if all features can even be implimented~!! The device does not give me any GAS whatsoever because it seems to me to be a quasi-copy of DSI Poly Evolver BUT without the poly-thing and absolutely no wavetable osc's either. What's up with the ethics of companies releasing BLATANT incomplete products? Could this just be simple greed and expense of nervous systems of humans? I do not get it!
Back to the Mothership!

If I where u I would not wait around for access to release anything...its not looking to good for them & hasn't been for quite some time. As far as hard/software musical instrument manufacturers are concerned there are so many of them releasing products that don't match up to there advertising it is criminal & has been going on for decades with even some of the biggest names not coming through with the product they sell. Features promised not being implemented, buggy software, crappy build quality etc. etc.
If I buy software I download the demo & fully test before purchasing & if I buy hardware I get it from a dealer that will take it back if I am not happy with it after a month. It's the only way to avoid disappointment.
The fact is most of them are like drug dealers & do not have ethics, they just want your money.

[namnibor]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

yep, need no introduction to that one! Zebra is one of my favourites as well... What I meant was that it is still kind of rare to find fx parameters as modulation destinations, or something like Random for source, or the level of option for oscilators, for example, in just one synth - and it is... and why not say Reaktor? cause that would blow even the Nord Modular out of the watter when it comes to available options, right? But the point is the Virus, despite having a lot more to it, has almost a standard subtractive layout, that's very flexible - like we all know - but that's it, and on that championship, it still kind of ownes it. The filters to me are still the best sounding out there...

But yeah, couple that with the ability to draw waveshapes like on the Zebra, possibly even user wavetables, samples, so forth and so on... and it would be the beast to rule them all. some copying of massive's kind of lfos would be cool to, btw eheh

just give us a new beast to play with access - with no usb bugs on it! and we'll start a new access music religion right here

Due to my now over military career, am quite new to the soft-synth scene BUT jumped right into Izotope Iris and wondering if you have checked it out? It is absolutely so cool! Imagine a hardware verion of something like a sampler on steriods? IRIS is pretty processor intensive, FYI. I like Camel Audio as well but honestly, have SO MANY hardware synths and prefer hardware, the few software things are just creative escape and fun for now.