Why a lot of modern electronic (and other genre) music sucks

[TweakHead]

Pointing out some example that YOU feel was legendary and saying everything else falls short in comparison is a very tired and lame argument.

I do think that information sharing and easy access to everything has really helped to push music production, along with dedicated technology for it some steps forward. So my point was, precisely, that easier access to things is not a bad thing. While you seem to recall the days when things were hard enough that only technology literate people would be able to surf the web and only people with a huge investment behind them - which was needed to set up a working studio - were able to make music.

Well, the fact of the matter is: things have changed and there is no turning back. Almost everyone in the developed world has access to the internet these days, interfaces are made with the common joe in mind so as to enable anyone to go ahead and focus on what it is they want to do, rather then on what's under the hood to make it happen. And to some extent, a quick browsing of facebook will easily point out just how much garbage that's brought about - so I do agree with you on that point. But if you look at the bigger picture, then it's quite obvious - if we're not looking at this from a very biased perspective, that is - that things have evolved! And they've evolved towards a much more inclusive and democratic paradigm.

The rest of it is a natural phenomenon brought about by this pandora's box wide open situation. Meaning: that when you have much more people doing what used to be done by a select few, then chances are it won't be possible for the music industry to remain the same. Labels won't be big business companies no more. Their task of finding and supporting artists is much harder. First 'cause there's simply much more to choose from. Secondly, 'cause there's not as much money to be made to begin with. You need a reasonably big audience for one artist to be able to live off what he likes to do best. In a world where more and more people are going for it, this means that not as much is reaching the hands of each of them.

On the other hand, the artists and their audiences have never ever been closer. Being online means that there's no separation. People can follow you and know what you're on about with daily updates. They can try and communicate with you. They can join some crowd funding campaign to finance something they believe in, even the making of a new album - there's just tons of such examples out there. How come is this a bad thing?

And someone else could say to you that there are a lot of artists delivering good music that pleases their audiences today. It's just a matter of taste, you're just rationalising your own taste versus what's up there today and not realising that's what it is. No offence, but that's what it is!

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

Pointing out some example that YOU feel was legendary and saying everything else falls short in comparison is a very tired and lame argument.

Once again, for perhaps the third time, I used a particular band -- three actually actually, to illustrate a couple of bands from times gone by that have produced a ridiculously high quantity of successful hits.

It pains me that you have yet to grasp that it has nothing to do with whether you like the band in question.

Give me an example of a recent band that has achieved anywhere near the total number of hit singles that Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles or Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker have achieved in their career?

It doesn't matter if I like the band or not, I am looking for quantifiable industry success here. True to the point, I am not interested in whether or not *I PERSONALLY* like the band or not, I am looking for tangible evidence of musical talent and success (something that goes far beyond an underground following and a handful of successful singles).

Until that's done, nobody has come to this argument prepared.

[Berni]

John Peel once said "everytime I here some music that I dont like, I just think that it's my problem that I don't get it"

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by Berni

John Peel once said "everytime I here some music that I dont like, I just think that it's my problem that I don't get it"

I think in some ironic way, his sentiment applies to forum threads like this as well I don't think I've ever spent so much time on redundantly reiterating that the point really had nothing to do with my individual taste in music, yet it seems that's what everyone wants to debate.

[mitchiemasha]

Originally Posted by MBTC

I think in some ironic way, his sentiment applies to forum threads like this as well I don't think I've ever spent so much time on redundantly reiterating that the point really had nothing to do with my individual taste in music, yet it seems that's what everyone wants to debate.

Because you fail to see that your taste is swaying your opinion. You mention the other hit like hits on FWM album and guess what, they weren't hits... FWM had poor single sales in the UK, i think the spice girls may of had more hits than them. To other people those songs arn't hits and rightly so because they weren't. You just see them as because it suits your taste of what a hit is.

Obviously album sales is a big factor here so less people likely to buy a single, before someone mentions it.

To other comments. Competition is still a big factor to no one ever getting as big ever again. Did you not see where i put labels bench acts. This happened a lot back then. they would deliberately bench acts so sales would be directed to which ever act they happened to have the vested interest in. What with the new technology, they can't really control that no more.

I'm for both sides of the argument i just get annoyed when people don't open up to the other. Just because a producer/band or act don't sell as many albums as say a 'LEGENDARY' band, does not mean that the new skooler has any less talent or is any less great than the legends, yes they might never sell as many records, they might only have a few hundred thousand following, they could release hit after hit material for generations, just never getting an actual hit. Yes the artist might never reach the same level of 'to the masses greatness' but they will surpass the skill of FWM. People like Zedd can play and craft, he has a grasp of technology that those old skoolers will never obtain.

Going back to taste, your reply back to me on Calvin Harris was directly connected to taste, the "this is exactly the dah dedah i was on about". People actually love this sh1t you know, exactly how you love fleetwood. It's you who is failing to make that connection.