Why a lot of modern electronic (and other genre) music sucks

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

Pointing out some example that YOU feel was legendary and saying everything else falls short in comparison is a very tired and lame argument.

Once again, for perhaps the third time, I used a particular band -- three actually actually, to illustrate a couple of bands from times gone by that have produced a ridiculously high quantity of successful hits.

It pains me that you have yet to grasp that it has nothing to do with whether you like the band in question.

Give me an example of a recent band that has achieved anywhere near the total number of hit singles that Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles or Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker have achieved in their career?

It doesn't matter if I like the band or not, I am looking for quantifiable industry success here. True to the point, I am not interested in whether or not *I PERSONALLY* like the band or not, I am looking for tangible evidence of musical talent and success (something that goes far beyond an underground following and a handful of successful singles).

Until that's done, nobody has come to this argument prepared.

[Berni]

John Peel once said "everytime I here some music that I dont like, I just think that it's my problem that I don't get it"

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by Berni

John Peel once said "everytime I here some music that I dont like, I just think that it's my problem that I don't get it"

I think in some ironic way, his sentiment applies to forum threads like this as well I don't think I've ever spent so much time on redundantly reiterating that the point really had nothing to do with my individual taste in music, yet it seems that's what everyone wants to debate.

[mitchiemasha]

Originally Posted by MBTC

I think in some ironic way, his sentiment applies to forum threads like this as well I don't think I've ever spent so much time on redundantly reiterating that the point really had nothing to do with my individual taste in music, yet it seems that's what everyone wants to debate.

Because you fail to see that your taste is swaying your opinion. You mention the other hit like hits on FWM album and guess what, they weren't hits... FWM had poor single sales in the UK, i think the spice girls may of had more hits than them. To other people those songs arn't hits and rightly so because they weren't. You just see them as because it suits your taste of what a hit is.

Obviously album sales is a big factor here so less people likely to buy a single, before someone mentions it.

To other comments. Competition is still a big factor to no one ever getting as big ever again. Did you not see where i put labels bench acts. This happened a lot back then. they would deliberately bench acts so sales would be directed to which ever act they happened to have the vested interest in. What with the new technology, they can't really control that no more.

I'm for both sides of the argument i just get annoyed when people don't open up to the other. Just because a producer/band or act don't sell as many albums as say a 'LEGENDARY' band, does not mean that the new skooler has any less talent or is any less great than the legends, yes they might never sell as many records, they might only have a few hundred thousand following, they could release hit after hit material for generations, just never getting an actual hit. Yes the artist might never reach the same level of 'to the masses greatness' but they will surpass the skill of FWM. People like Zedd can play and craft, he has a grasp of technology that those old skoolers will never obtain.

Going back to taste, your reply back to me on Calvin Harris was directly connected to taste, the "this is exactly the dah dedah i was on about". People actually love this sh1t you know, exactly how you love fleetwood. It's you who is failing to make that connection.

[TweakHead]

Hey mates,

just saw this and thought it might help illustrate some of the points in here:

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/our-favo...rce=noiseyfbus

cheers

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by TweakHead

Hey mates,

just saw this and thought it might help illustrate some of the points in here:

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/our-favo...rce=noiseyfbus

cheers

Do you mean it helps illustrate some of the points from my position on the argument or yours? I actually think it helps my argument in several different ways. Perhaps most interesting was the mention of Taylor Swift's success -- because while I'm personally not a fan of hers, I think in the genre she works in she does have a way-above-average level of talent. The fact that so many of the rest are flipping burgers or whatever instead of focusing on music full-time is a strong indicator of my earlier point about how much the music industry itself has changed.

Taylor is one of those who may actually achieve the level of industry success in her lifetime that approaches the others I've mentioned. I don't follow country or mainstream pop, so it's very possible that there are others like her that I'm unaware of. Even still, I don't care for her music, I'm just mentioning that to help drive home my point that what I've said her has absolutely nothing to do with my own personal taste or preference for a particular artist. It is an observation about the music industry as a whole.

[mitchiemasha]

In a few more years no doubt Calvin Harris will have had more hits then them if he doesn't retire. Like his music or not. Not enough time has past on new producers artists to compare them.

One could then say how many hits has Max Martin or Dr Luck had. Bands, sorry ACTS are worked a lot different from those of yesta year. Producers seem more interested in giving someone fresh their 5 seconds of fame over dragging out acts over and over.

[MBTC]

Originally Posted by mitchiemasha

In a few more years no doubt Calvin Harris will have had more hits then them if he doesn't retire. Like his music or not. Not enough time has past on new producers artists to compare them.

One could then say how many hits has Max Martin or Dr Luck had. Bands, sorry ACTS are worked a lot different from those of yesta year. Producers seem more interested in giving someone fresh their 5 seconds of fame over dragging out acts over and over.

You have a good point in your second paragraph, although I'm not sure if it's only due to the choice of producers that results in the 5 seconds of fame syndrome or the ADHD nature of the modern listening audience that always wants something new or a gimmick to grab their attention.

I had to look up Calvin Harris to even know who he was. I've never heard of him or his music here in the US, maybe he's hugely popular elsewhere. What little I was able to tolerate listening to just sounded like the typical pop crap that could be the poster child for the type of music I'm talking about. That's not to say fans of his should like him any less, it's just very hard to picture him appearing in a list like this, even if he's given a 50 year trial period to attempt it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

Maybe I just listened to the wrong tunes of his. I just couldn't stand his singing style in the mixes I listened too. That type of Justin Bieber sounding stuff pains my eardrum.

[mitchiemasha]

Sorry i'll edit that back, i didn't like how it was worded so changed it but you've quoted me now, lol.

As for Calvin Harris he has the record for the most successful singles off 1 album, ever.

[mitchiemasha]

I'll go on to add, if you hadn't even heard of him it kind of suggest you are actually suffering from old mans syndrome bringing up this debate. Rather than the actual point you are trying to mask it behind.

In 20 years from now the kids who grew up listening to Calvin Harris and had no interest in FWM arn't suddenly going to erase all their memories of the music they grew up with. It is that that will hold a place in their heart and have that uniqueness too not FWM. I am like you using FWM and Calvin as example to the point not actualities.

As for the Armin comment you made, then through away by mentioning how FWM could easily sit down and play any acoustic. WHO CARES about Acoustic ability. Give members of FWM an empty Virus, you think they'd be able to come up with the unique sounds that has graced our EDM scenes. There's hundreds, millions even of people who can sit and play. Playing ability means shit in the real world, it's the producers and the engineers who make them sound good.

Leave some of the best known bands in a studio with no hardcore engineer who'll sit their for hours crafting their sound and they will basically sound like shit.

Being a VIRUS forum i'm surprised to hear what you said.