Expected TI shipping

[Nigel Harkness]

What could possibly delay the release for North America?

Oh boy if this is so my blood pressure is going to start to rise! :oops:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Patriot Act man ! They apparently found some tiny people hidding in the cases of the TI, trying to enter America.

[Nigel Harkness]

:cry:

[MADSTATION]

hahahaha

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I was playing around for a couple of hours on a Nord 2X. Well im buying one at the weekend and gonna wait until end of summer before I pick up a Virus Ti. id like to see a few runs roll of the production line before I invest.

DS

[Merlot]

I was playing around for a couple of hours on a Nord 2X. Well im buying one at the weekend and gonna wait until end of summer before I pick up a Virus Ti. id like to see a few runs roll of the production line before I invest.

DS

Same here. I cancelled my pre-order and am going to wait for a couple of months also. Going to wait and see if the hype is worth it, or is just a C on steroids!
Will also give a chance to see what Clavia next product is at MusikMesse on April 2. You know if the production would have been on time, this probably wouldnt have happened. But, that is life. . . . . . . . .

DS,
How was the nord? Programming heaven b/c everything is laid out in front of you? What made you decide to get that?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

My interest in the N2 started back in summer 2000. I went into a music shop and had a play around on some keyboards......well the N2 was the first synth I ever touched/heard in the flesh. Since then Ive always wanted to get one. The truth is...im a little sick of waiting for synths to be released....and right now i have very itchy fingers. The Virus TI will be a nice synth sure......but I feel uneasy buying into the first couple of batches.

The N2X is a very nice synth. I like it for a number of reasons. Firstly, in my opinion it has the most satisfying unprocessed sound of any VA....and second....its quite a simple synth. Dont get me wrong....its very powerful in a versatile sense......but the truth is....sometimes when a synth is bristling with 101 features it becomes a headfuck. With the N2 you can make very good, useable sounds within a minute or two. With the Virus it def takes longer.....partly because your always tweaking the 101 available paramters lol.

Right now, I just need a versatile, simple polyphonic synth. As I say...the Virus Ti will be an end of summer purchase (by which time any problems will hopefully have been identified). Best of both worlds.

DS

[Merlot]

When all you fockers get it, be sure to post some mp3's. can't wait to hear what i actually sounds like with some patch programming time put into it. <----- This better be done on the day it arrives at your doorstep too. Don't forget about us wanks who got tired of waiting. :cry:

[blay]

well i am one of the few that choose to remain in TI purgatory....

the access marketing engine has consumed me and i am waiting patiently to pay my $$$ to keep the access snowball rolling.

regardless of all the downfalls many have already identified on this board, the TI will certainly be one beast of a VA. only problem is, i'm not sure i really care anymore.....

...DS will remember that when i first joined this board I had sold shares with the intention to purchase a nord lead 3 - and that very night access posted the initial press releases for the TI range and basically RUINED MY LIFE. couldve had a lead 3 literally months ago - instead i continue to chase the carrot on a stick that is the TI....

i really have given up. i keep hearing all sorts of info regarding the release but i let it all go over my head. yes, these are the words of one defeated moderator. :cry:

cmon access - throw a dog a bone.... please, no later than april!!!!

[ten]

Damn Blay, and you were one of the most positive at the beginning, telling me to stop giving access a hard time and let them sort it out ;) How the mightly have fallen :lol:

ten

[blay]

...im taking my bat and ball and im going home :cry:

:wink:

[EnjoyRC]

Is there any reason NOT to assume that the TI line will ship this week or next? Most statements about more delays (April...etc...) seem to be guesses, not statements from Access. The Access website and an email that I recently received from them, still state March 2005. The email stated in the first two weeks of March.

I'm still hopeful. I'm sticking by my prepayment and waiting for it. Why not wait? What else is there? :lol:

[ten]

There is plenty of reason not to assume they will make this new release date. The main one that springs to mind is I have several emails from access saying things like 'The virus-TI range will be shipping worldwide from December' and 'We are expecting to ship the virus-TI in early January.' Which, of course have all gone to shit. And when you ask why you never get a straight answer.

The thing that worries me most is the lack of communication. It would be nice if they would just say 'ok, we are having problems with the software and its going to take a few more weeks' or whatever, but they just keep us in the fucking dark and have done pretty much since November. Only Ben has said anything who doesnt even work officially for access at the NAMM show, and even that looks like its going to fall through.

I will hold out for the TI because I want one badly. I love the virus sound, but I dont want a C and ive already had the limited virus powercore. I want the TI software, I want the extended amount of polyphony and I want the hypersaw. So no matter how long it takes I will wait (unless its a piss take wait) but Access's once prestine customer quality and service has been SERIOUSLY damaged by this shambles of a product launch, and the sad thing is they dont seem to give a flying fuck.

ten

[EnjoyRC]

My Email Questions:
> 1. Are you still shipping the entire Virus TI line this week or next?
> 2. Is there a delay for USA shipments?
> 3. Are you shipping Desktops first then Keyboard & Polar later?

Their response:
Still we cannot announce an exact release date for the TI series nor when we will ship TI models to what country. We will try to ship TI units to as many shops and countries from the very beginning.

[ten]

So, as expected... none of you're three questions were answered.
ten

[Nigel Harkness]

They are very good at being avasive at answering questions, do you think they took a class for this or something?

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

I've a bottle of champagne waiting for the TI.
"In a few weeks...", "we are still beta testing", "we want to deliver a solid product"...soon....

[Merlot]

My Email Questions:
> 1. Are you still shipping the entire Virus TI line this week or next?
> 2. Is there a delay for USA shipments?
> 3. Are you shipping Desktops first then Keyboard & Polar later?

Their response:
Still we cannot announce an exact release date for the TI series nor when we will ship TI models to what country. We will try to ship TI units to as many shops and countries from the very beginning.

Can you say "April" !!!! :twisted:

[Househead]

My Email Questions:
> 1. Are you still shipping the entire Virus TI line this week or next?
> 2. Is there a delay for USA shipments?
> 3. Are you shipping Desktops first then Keyboard & Polar later?

Their response:
Still we cannot announce an exact release date for the TI series nor when we will ship TI models to what country. We will try to ship TI units to as many shops and countries from the very beginning.

Can you say "April" !!!! :twisted:

Possibly May 2005..... :twisted: :twisted:

[Nigel Harkness]

Sorry but I have to:

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~j3harmal/forumpics/Shut%20The%20Fuck%20Up.JPG

[Househead]

:lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hehe..... :lol:

All that one can do is wait......not much longer now.

DS

[rekkon@digilog]

Hehe..... :lol:

All that one can do is wait......not much longer now.

DS

well i have 8 people in front of me in line


so if thats u (watch ur back)

so it looks like june for me :twisted:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The shipping really wont be that much longer now.....im really looking forward to it. Its worth the wait......

I didnt pre-order though....so im not sure when the 2nd or 3rd shipping will arrive.....maybe 4 weeks after the first one? Im not sure how frequent shippings are.....

DS

[Timo]

The shipping really wont be that much longer now.....im really looking forward to it. Its worth the wait......

I didnt pre-order though....so im not sure when the 2nd or 3rd shipping will arrive.....maybe 4 weeks after the first one? Im not sure how frequent shippings are.....

DS

Maybe more TIs have been manufactured and stocked up in the factory in the whole meantime waiting for the updated software to be installed. If so, there will be a substantially larger batch of "first wave" TIs to ship, meaning many will get the TIs quickly within each other, as opposed to longer waits inbetween each batch.

They know how many pre-orders they've had, so I bet they've matched that number with actual physical TIs made in the factory by now.

[EnjoyRC]

I see your glass is half full... eh?

[Timo]

I see your glass is half full... eh?

I've not even ordered a Ti, lol.

Ghost24 and pending lappie purchase is sapping me dry....

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hello EnjoyRC. I see your a religious guy...into christian rock music? Checked out your website....very nice. Seriously, there are a few round here who need saving :lol:

But seriously.......good on you for believing in something that makes you so happy. I think im in need of some of that too.

DS

[blay]

Hi Pete
I hope all is well.
I really haven't heard too much regarding the TI's..
I keep getting told a certain date, yet they do not appear !
I have 2 units unaccounted for from the first shipment. From memory, one keyboard, and one desktop.
I will let you know as soon as I hear anything positive and in concrete...


this was the email i received from my local supplier today.

nobody knows nuffin... but at least my unit in the first shipment is secured :roll:

[EnjoyRC]

The retailer where I purchased my TI Keyboard is receiving 18 keyboard units in their first shipment. I don't know how many Desktops & Polars. I was number 14.

Waiting patiently... well, uh, er, um.... not really... I find myself searching the web everyday to see if anyone heard of any new shipping news.

[EnjoyRC]

But seriously.......good on you for believing in something that makes you so happy. I think im in need of some of that too.
Thanks... As you can hear in the music streaming on my site, my music is very keyboard oriented. Lately, my compositions are taking on more of a Euro-Tech influence. Hence, the purchase of my Virus TI.

[rekkon@digilog]

Waiting patiently... well, uh, er, um.... not really... I find myself searching the web everyday to see if anyone heard of any new shipping news.

same boat except im number 8

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Lets have some real info on shipping.....no more disinformation. We all learnt a lesson from that twat DIGITAL SCREAMS about saying things which just weren't true.....eeeermmm :oops:

DS :lol:

[Househead]

Hello EnjoyRC. I see your a religious guy...into christian rock music? Checked out your website....very nice. Seriously, there are a few round here who need saving :lol:

:lol:

[grs]

Waiting patiently... well, uh, er, um.... not really... I find myself searching the web everyday to see if anyone heard of any new shipping news.

same boat except im number 8

I'm in the top 5 or 10 for a desktop!! Really want the Polar or KB now :x

[EnjoyRC]

I'm in the top 5 or 10 for a desktop!! Really want the Polar or KB now :xI guess people really are cancelling their orders due to being tired of waiting. When they called me the other day, they looked it up and now I'm #9. They're receiving 22 keyboards in their first shipment. I'd say I'm pretty certain I'll get one out of the first shipment.

[jasedee]

I'm in the top 5 or 10 for a desktop!! Really want the Polar or KB now :xI guess people really are cancelling their orders due to being tired of waiting. When they called me the other day, they looked it up and now I'm #9. They're receiving 22 keyboards in their first shipment. I'd say I'm pretty certain I'll get one out of the first shipment.
Im just wandering RC....the Virus sound doesnt seem like it would fit nicely in a Christian rock/electro outfit. Are you planning on targetting the Christian industrial/metal scene???

P.S nice lookin site

[xerxes_]

I'm in the top 5 or 10 for a desktop!! Really want the Polar or KB now :xI guess people really are cancelling their orders due to being tired of waiting. When they called me the other day, they looked it up and now I'm #9. They're receiving 22 keyboards in their first shipment. I'd say I'm pretty certain I'll get one out of the first shipment.
Im just wandering RC....the Virus sound doesnt seem like it would fit nicely in a Christian rock/electro outfit. Are you planning on targetting the Christian industrial/metal scene???

P.S nice lookin site

i was thinking the same thing.. however, i produce ambient/new-age style stuff, and one of the things i am looking for the most is beautiful and flexible padsounds.. as i understand the virus is excellent for this purpose, and hence i think it would be suitable in most genres of music. for industrial style tracks the virus might be exceptionally good, but i hope its also good enough for just about any genre if used correctly.

am i right or way off?

.xerxes

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The Virus does nice pads.....we all know this. However, personally I prefer the pad sounds that come out of a Korg Wavestation and Roland JD800.

The JD800 is especially great at ambient stuff:

Ambient pad (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd_pad_3.mp3)

Ambient Strings (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd800_strings.mp3)

Hell.....if its good enough for JMJ and Vangelis then its good enough for you!

DS

[ben crosland]

The Wavetable oscillators add an entirely new dimension to the Virus' pad-making abilities - and at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, the fact you can blend them with Hypersaws as well means you can achieve some really lovely textures that are both very digital/cold and fuzzy/warm all at the same time 8)

[EnjoyRC]

Im just wandering RC....the Virus sound doesnt seem like it would fit nicely in a Christian rock/electro outfit. Are you planning on targetting the Christian industrial/metal scene???

P.S nice lookin site
As mentioned.... The Virus TI is (or will be :) ) great for all genres. I've heard plenty of Virus examples. It's far more then industrial/metal.

Thanks for your comments on my site. I just finished updating it. Seems I can never leave it alone.

[xerxes_]

The Virus does nice pads.....we all know this. However, personally I prefer the pad sounds that come out of a Korg Wavestation and Roland JD800.

The JD800 is especially great at ambient stuff:

Ambient pad (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd_pad_3.mp3)

Ambient Strings (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd800_strings.mp3)

Hell.....if its good enough for JMJ and Vangelis then its good enough for you!

DS

my god DS! those sounds really really f***** awesome!! i need to look into this synth definitly!

.x

[Hollowcell]

The Virus does nice pads.....we all know this. However, personally I prefer the pad sounds that come out of a Korg Wavestation and Roland JD800.

The JD800 is especially great at ambient stuff:

Ambient pad (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd_pad_3.mp3)

Ambient Strings (http://www.bluesynths.com/Sounds/jd800_strings.mp3)

Hell.....if its good enough for JMJ and Vangelis then its good enough for you!

DS


my god DS! those sounds really really f***** awesome!! i need to look into this synth definitly!

.x

Yep, I've been looking for a JD990 for ages now. One day I'll find a good one.

Now back to the "I want my bug ridden TI" show..... :wink:

By the way, I'll sell you my VC for 200,000yen if the wait gets too much fellas. :D

[blay]

Now back to the "I want my bug ridden TI" show..... :wink:

By the way, I'll sell you my VC for 200,000yen if the wait gets too much fellas. :D

:lol:

...i get the feeling HC is starting to break - joining the waiting list anytime soon mate?

:wink:

[Hollowcell]

...i get the feeling HC is starting to break - joining the waiting list anytime soon mate?

:wink:

Na, it would be a fair while before I'd lay down the cash on a TI. It would need to have a few more key features and zero bugs before I'd even consider it.

Honeslty, a few other things have caught my eye over here.
Japan - The land of the rising sun and cheap older gear. :wink:

[Merlot]

...i get the feeling HC is starting to break - joining the waiting list anytime soon mate?

:wink:

Na, it would be a fair while before I'd lay down the cash on a TI. It would need to have a few more key features and zero bugs before I'd even consider it.

Honeslty, a few other things have caught my eye over here.
Japan - The land of the rising sun and cheap older gear. :wink:

What you got your eye on? I just saw a 990 go on ebay for buy it now of $250

[Hollowcell]

What you got your eye on? I just saw a 990 go on ebay for buy it now of $250

That's a nice price for sure! They sell for around the same here at the moment. I've seen them go for as cheap as about $175us (but that's a pretty rough looking one though).

If I managed to sell the VC for 200,000yen, I'd probably go for an MS20, DBX160 and some sort stomp box like a mesaboogie V-twin or something. With the money left over I'd think about another VA - maybe an ION or MS2000.

Ahhhh, gear lust..... :D

[Juho L]

Ahhhh, gear lust..... :D

GAS, damn it! GAS! Saying "gear lust" is like saying "pants" when meaning trousers.

[tranzash]

I'd probably go for an MS20

How much does a MS20 in a good condition cost now? From what I heard the filters are very harsh and biting with resonance. Very sexy looking synth though :D

[Hollowcell]

In good condition they go for about 60,000 to 70,000 yen. :D

[Nigel Harkness]

I know that at this point this shouldn't bother me but I just recieved a call from Sweetwater (where I bought my TI), they are not expecting the TI to arrive stateside until April 27th! Man oh man this thing better do all it is supposed to as well as my dishes.

[F5D]

Gets very expensive if a company doesn't sell any products for a 1/2 year. I hope a Waldorf will not happen to Access.

[EnjoyRC]

Gets very expensive if a company doesn't sell any products for a 1/2 year. I hope a Waldorf will not happen to Access.Not owning any Waldorf products and not knowing... what happened to Waldorf?

[F5D]

Not owning any Waldorf products and not knowing... what happened to Waldorf?
They went bankrupt. I don't know the reason why but I guess people were buying other products like access and novation more than waldorf. Maybe Waldorf couldn't sell their products at lower prices (however microQ was reasonably priced sometimes) and their new products were very highly priced such as the Q+ (euro 4000), AFB analog filter bank (euro 2500) etc. and maybe people didn't like the thin waldorf sound as much as the other fatter sounding synths. Waldorf should have continued to produce the Pulse or even bring a Pulse keyboard out or something. That would have been supercool! I own a Pulse and it still is one of the fattest sounding boxes I have ever owned. It will definitely never leave my rack.

In fact I am going to buy a Waldorf MicroQ tomorrow to extend the sound palette of my rack. I like waldorf sound too but I wouldn't buy a Waldorf if it was going to be my only synth. I have had already 2 microQ's before. This time I'll try harder to be able to keep this one. It has some great sounds and the filter is good.

[blay]

I know that at this point this shouldn't bother me but I just recieved a call from Sweetwater (where I bought my TI), they are not expecting the TI to arrive stateside until April 27th! Man oh man this thing better do all it is supposed to as well as my dishes.

:roll:

so we prob wont see them till late may :evil:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hate to state the bleeding obvious......but the Access website is still saying 'available from march'

Ok, so whats with all this speculation?

DS

[EnjoyRC]

Hate to state the bleeding obvious......but the Access website is still saying 'available from march'
DS
I've thought the same thing. They're obviously editing the website. They added the DEMO that we're all listening to. You'd think that they would modify that date if they were really changing it. Yet, on the bottom of the main TI page, it still states December too. :D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh yeah.....ive just seen the 'expected tyo ship in December 2004' disclaimer....

hehehe......oh well!

DS

[Smag]

In fact I am going to buy a Waldorf MicroQ tomorrow to extend the sound palette of my rack. I like waldorf sound too but I wouldn't buy a Waldorf if it was going to be my only synth. I have had already 2 microQ's before. This time I'll try harder to be able to keep this one. It has some great sounds and the filter is good.

A wise choice my friend, with Waldorf being out of business you can pick them up dirt cheap and they're still wicked synths. People say they're harder to use than the Virus and that they can't get the sound they want out of them and I am convinced it is an operating system thing - make sure you get one with the latest operating system as the OS updates really were major bug fixes / operating glitches, not just minor improvements.

[Hollowcell]

You'd think that they would modify that date if they were really changing it. Yet, on the bottom of the main TI page, it still states December too. :D

:lol: Classic!

Without going to look at the site though....Does it actually specify a year?

[blay]

:lol: Classic!

Without going to look at the site though....Does it actually specify a year?

yep, 2008. :roll:

[EnjoyRC]

Without going to look at the site though....Does it actually specify a year?

The VIRUS TI Line is comprised of three different models which all share the same technology inside for identical soft specifications. Products are expected to ship in December 2004.

Available March 2005

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hi all,

Just had an email from someone high up at Access and they've told me the Ti will be shipping in the next few weeks.

DS

[bj2001]

few weeks :roll:

[ten]

Marc is high up at Access, he said it would be shipping in a few weeks in December :)

ten

[MADSTATION]

What's wrong with a few more weeks? I mean...if this is what it takes, then it is what it takes :)

I'm just wondering if there will be 2 stereo submix or 3 already available...3 would rock :) But 2 is fine I guess :)

[ten]

A few more weeks would be fine, if in fact IT IS a few more weeks. Its been a few more weeks since December, which has turned into a few months and now nearly half a year late. I dont mind the waiting for whatever reason I just wish they would pick a date and stick to it.

ten

[EnjoyRC]

Hi all,

Just had an email from someone high up at Access and they've told me the Ti will be shipping in the next few weeks.

DSHey DS, I think there's something wrong with your computer. I keeps sending the same posts over and over again. Maybe it's a cut an paste issue, or something. This is definitely a duplicate post. :lol:

[u4ia]

I thought I could wait this out, a month or two didn't seem like a long time to wait without having a keyboard (back in november :)).

But this has really stretched out and I am starting to get desparate. I was so close the other day to cancelling my TI order at NovaMusik and getting a novation x-station instead. I am hanging in there but every passing week gets a little bit harder....

Actually the x-station does look like a nice little controller, but for some reason I have been brain washed into thinking I must have a Virus and nothign else will do :)

[Househead]

I just wish they would pick a date and stick to it.

I agree...then at least we would look forward to it.... :wink:

[dries]

in germany they say: gut ding braucht weile.

[blay]

in australia they say: hurry the f*#k up.

:wink:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

In Britain we say....'more tea vicar?'

DS

[K.E.M.]

This TI wait reminds me of the wait for Deadsy's new album "Phantasmagore". Lol.

Deadsy is the band that got me into synths, BTW.

[Nigel Harkness]

Hi all,

Just had an email from someone high up at Access and they've told me the Ti will be shipping in the next few weeks.

DS

I pray this is not a cruel joke! But knowing DS.... :evil:

[zodi]

Did Access ever dissapointed us with their products?

Every Virus was great and the TI will be worth the wait!

Access could release the TI now but they wait for the results of beta testing... it's not easy to release a synthesitzer with audio, asio and midi-drivers and they will have to be sure that it runs on all systems...

you know, everybody has a different soundcard, mainboard (chipset) and so on...

I don't like to have a synth or drivers that have to be updated twice a week.... so it's better to get a finished product...

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Why is when one has money to spend.....one gets impatient to spend? Usually i have f*&$ all money.....being a student at uni hehe.

DS

[grimleyj]

I just downloaded OS2.0 for the V-Synth ... blew my socks off!!!!
The new supersaw, feedback and x-mod oscs are awesome. That coupled with the new step-mod and my TI-lusting has almost ceased (which is a good thing because I just blew my TI money which has been sitting here since December on upgrading my studio).
I think the new V-rack is going to give the TI a very good run for it's money.

[blay]

I think the new V-rack is going to give the TI a very good run for it's money.

:roll:

unlikely...

[blay]

Access Virus TI's shipping in April. Preorder yours today!!!

...and join the rest of us fools that held a glimmer of hope that it might still ship in march :roll:

[F5D]

I just downloaded OS2.0 for the V-Synth ... blew my socks off!!!!
The new supersaw, feedback and x-mod oscs are awesome.
Yeah, the JP80x0 is a great synth and so is the v-synth. It took awfully long that they realized that their JP80x0 is one of the best synths they have ever made and imported those oscillators to v-synth.

Roland is a funny company. It seems that they never really understand what they are doing and what features that customers want but by accident they sometimes bring a very good synth out. I guess they haven't realized yet why the tb303 sold so much and still remains very sought after synth. Their variOS 303 demo sounds a joke. They don't have a clue for what sounds people use the 303 for. Also their onboard synth demos are super funny. I'm not sure what kind of music they listen to in Japan but those demos must be the worst ever made. But it's still interesting to see that they sometimes build a new good synth BY ACCIDENT! :D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

To be honest.......since all the R&D has been done already....I dont understand why it is Roland cant reamake genuinely analog Jupiters and TB's again. Production costs could be minimised......I would have thought the profit margin would have been greater now that back in the 80's.

DS

[F5D]

To be honest.......since all the R&D has been done already....I dont understand why it is Roland cant reamake genuinely analog Jupiters and TB's again. Production costs could be minimised......I would have thought the profit margin would have been greater now that back in the 80's. DS
I have been thinking about the same too. Would I buy a new SH101 with midi and patch memory or a juno106, of course! I don't want to buy those 20-30 year old second hand synths anymore which are in poor condition and can break down any day. I had a Juno106 and once had to open it to replace one of the faders and I was shocked when I saw the circuits and cabling. The power cord inside the synth for example was so weak that it came loose when I opened the synth's cover. I don't understand people who drop their synths or make scratches on their surfaces. HORRIBLE! All my synths are in 100% condition. I don't like people who don't take care of their musical instruments. And it doesn't matter how old the synth is. If a user takes care of his/her synths they will be like new after 20 years too.

But to answer the original "question", digital micro processors and memory are cheaper than analog LSI chips and altough they cost the same the manufacturer would have to use many times more of those analog chips compared to 1 or 2 DSPs which can calculate everything the synth needs. So Roland makes more money with digital technology than analog. That's true and sad.

[Derek]

I think the new V-rack is going to give the TI a very good run for it's money.

:roll:

unlikely...

I'm not too sure it won't. I had a V-Synth and can tell you there is a lot more to it than first impressions give. Strickly as a sound creation tool it is pretty powerful.

I am getting a TI and a V-Synth XT to make sure I have all the bases covered. That's right... TWO WAITING LISTs.

[Timo]

....Also their onboard synth demos are super funny. I'm not sure what kind of music they listen to in Japan but those demos must be the worst ever made.....

buhahaaahahahaha, so so true! :lol:

I think I remember reading one time that it's something to do with the Japs not wanting to use the instruments for which they're not primarily designed for....

...Such, that they read the manual, and then use the instrument exactly as per the manual, in a tame and timid way.... As opposed to breaking the rules and really stretching the envelope and breaking new ground.

They would learn a lot from European dance music production techniques.

[Timo]

To be honest.......since all the R&D has been done already....I dont understand why it is Roland cant reamake genuinely analog Jupiters and TB's again. Production costs could be minimised......I would have thought the profit margin would have been greater now that back in the 80's.

Hi DS, I think it's to do with reliability and profit margins. With digital DSP, all they need is to do the original programming, and then the chips/processors cost tu'pence to manufacture from thereafter.... Bang!, large profit margins and long-lasting reliability, with poor (but lots of, 'cos it looks good on paper) sounds. In the running to get even more sales via impressive specifications (on paper), they often bypass the fact that fewer, top-quality voices are worth more than 128+ shit ones.

Thus, the only real problem is when they don't progress or advance in the execution of their DSPs, along with advances in technology... And instead churn out the same old shit time and time again. The Boss SP505 (circa 2002), for example, I listened to a demo of it the other day and it sounded identical (the exact same samples) as my MC505 did back in 1997. Dreadful. I think that a lot of the programmers and sound-designers must never actually listen to any real music outside of the factory, in order to get it wrong so badly!

[Edit, oops, FSD covered this in his above post. That'll teach me to read the rest of the thread before replying! ;) ]

[grimleyj]

Well I've got bags under my eyes from being up all night with OS2 for the V. The hole in my sonic arsenal created by selling my VirusB in December has been filled and I think I'm also going to flog my Juno 106 on eBay. The huge spectrum of sounds you can create is staggering. I only wish there was a third or even fourth osc per voice, but it is possible to layer patches (and of course resample and Variphrase an osc).
A lot has changed overnight, and I never thought I'd say it, but the TI will need to be pretty damn special at this stage for me to consider buying it.
-g

[ddeez]

that vsynth is nice eh?

[midislut]

I have the V-synth also.....

Great synth and love it dearly.....very easy to learn as well. It kick's out amazing stuff !!!

The latest OS update was released a few days ago BTW

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Its weird.....but from what ive heard of the V-synth I havent been too impressed. Having said that (and here comes the contradiction!)...am interested in the new 'user-friendly' D50 update. Now that could really rock. Anyone tried it yet?

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh and getting back on topic.....anyone heard anymore on release dates for the TI? Or is it all silence.....

DS

[Wandering Kid]

But to answer the original "question", digital micro processors and memory are cheaper than analog LSI chips and altough they cost the same the manufacturer would have to use many times more of those analog chips compared to 1 or 2 DSPs which can calculate everything the synth needs. So Roland makes more money with digital technology than analog. That's true and sad.

thats true but roland (i assume) still have all the schematics. they know exactly how its built they know its physical characteristics. if anyone could physically model a tb-303 - its roland. which is why when they released that software synth in cakewalk kinetic and it sounded like total shit - i was really confused.

and besides. when will roland realise that there is a big market for analog synths and there are plenty of people who are willing already to pay over a grand for a fully working teebee on ebay. seeing as how vintage analog prices have inflated so much in the past 10-15 years, roland could still make a killing off these things even despite the manufacturing costs.

roland is indeed a strange company.

[blay]

Oh and getting back on topic.....anyone heard anymore on release dates for the TI? Or is it all silence.....

DS

not silence - just no real info.
from what we have heard recently it could be months yet....

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Shit really? Im not sure I can wait months. Im thinking 4 weeks is my max now. Come on Access.......let me be a Beta Tester!!!!

DS

[bj2001]

i wait 2 more weeks max, then i will cancel my order & look for a second hand VA.

[F5D]

i wait 2 more weeks max, then i will cancel my order & look for a second hand VA.
Good choice. It can be that when the TI comes out it will still have problems with the integration compatibility. I am not going to buy a TI at first when it comes out. I want to see does it work or not. It's also so expensive (but worth it) that I will rather wait for a good deal of it for a while. At some point I will buy it if it works like promised.

[if-it]

I'll give it til May 1st, then I'll be frustrated enough to cancel my preorder. Though I'm torn, because after much wheeling and dealing with the local Guitar center I got the TI Keyboard for $2,100.00 US . I think thats a good deal! First thing I do every morning is go to the Access website. It really worries me that they aren't at the NAMM in Germany, or am I wrong about that. That tells me there's a major problem. I hope the company isn't going under, I'm such a Virus fanatic.

[ben crosland]

It really worries me that they aren't at the NAMM in Germany, or am I wrong about that. That tells me there's a major problem.

Really, this means nothing - they didn't do it last year, either.

[MADSTATION]

ben crosland: There wasnt really any "NEW flagship product from Access last year, so it makes sense that they werent there last year.

However, I was expecting them to be there this year + have a new demo and AT LEAST a fixed release date. Now, we don't even know if it's months or weeks. That sucks bigtime!

[Nigel Harkness]

Ben do you have any heads up on what stage of Beta testing they are in, are they coming close to the end of testing or still have quite a while?

[ben crosland]

ben crosland: There wasnt really any "NEW flagship product from Access last year, so it makes sense that they werent there last year.!

Trade shows are, first and foremost, there to attract orders from distributors and dealers - hence the name 'trade show'. Now that the internet provides such an effective means of raising awareness of a new product, a lot of these dealers aren't even bothering to go to Frankfurt and most of the European distributors go to NAMM anyway.

[ben crosland]

Ben do you have any heads up on what stage of Beta testing they are in, are they coming close to the end of testing or still have quite a while?

I'm afraid I can't comment on such matters. One thing I can tell you for certain though - shipping day is one day nearer than it was yesterday ;)

[Timo]

Access released the B-series at Frankfurt Messe, and also the C series at the Messe when it came along. Made sense, seeing as they're German/European, and it's a local venue.

[EnjoyRC]

I'm afraid I can't comment on such matters. One thing I can tell you for certain though - shipping day is one day nearer than it was yesterday ;)Ah... Ha.... So there IS a set shipping date. 8) Until now, that statement wouldn't have been a true statement. For all we knew, the shipping date kept slipping back, back, back with each day that passed.

[Derek]

Ben do you have any heads up on what stage of Beta testing they are in, are they coming close to the end of testing or still have quite a while?

I'm afraid I can't comment on such matters. One thing I can tell you for certain though - shipping day is one day nearer than it was yesterday ;)

This is a typical Access response. You have managed to write two sentences that tell us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Who cares when the TI comes? Its going to come sometime.....

We should all just relax....its bad for your health hehe

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I was just reading in another thread about people who are cancelling their pre-orders. Well whats the point of that? Are you really going to spend ?1000+ on a synth thats kinda 2nd best. You'll most likely kick yourself for being impatient when the TI finally does arrive. So we're all in this unfortunate position of having to wait......and wait. But hey...I suppose there are worse things in life than getting stressed over set backs. Ive just been to a funeral of a friend.

DS

[ten]

Exactly DS. Its a complete shitter and Access are taking the piss totally but I wouldnt even think about cancelling either 1) to make a statement (that will achieve FUCK all) 2) to buy some crappy half arsed cheaper kit that will amuse me for about 5 mins and wont be even remotely close to the TI.

Sit it out, bitch on here a bit, watch some pr0n. It will come soon enough :)

ten

[midislut]

Its weird.....but from what ive heard of the V-synth I havent been too impressed. Having said that (and here comes the contradiction!)...am interested in the new 'user-friendly' D50 update. Now that could really rock. Anyone tried it yet?

DS

I have the D50 card !

But the V-synth is better. The D50 presets are a bit "old" now. But still usable though.

[if-it]

I take back what I said in my last post about cancelling my pre order. Thank you DS for putting things back into perspective, you are so right! I really appreciate your cool head. I just went to the local dealer and found out I'm #1 on the waiting list. I just need to be more patient. Seems I continually have to teach myself that valuable lesson. Why in the world agonize over something I have no control over? There's more to life than waiting. :D

[marc]

Ben do you have any heads up on what stage of Beta testing they are in, are they coming close to the end of testing or still have quite a while?

I'm afraid I can't comment on such matters. One thing I can tell you for certain though - shipping day is one day nearer than it was yesterday ;)

This is a typical Access response. You have managed to write two sentences that tell us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

hold on, that's my style of replying - ben's just copying me ;) - and since access beta testers have to sign NDAs, you will not get much information that way anyway

marc

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

NDA's....... is that some kinda industry secrets act?

DS

[ben crosland]

NDA's....... is that some kinda industry secrets act?

DS

"Non-Disclosure Agreement" = just that, basically. In fact, even releasing that bit of information means I must now kill both of us..

[Tom_1970]

"Non-Disclosure Agreement" = just that, basically. In fact, even releasing that bit of information means I must now kill both of us..

Does that affect the release date in a negative way? ;)

[ben crosland]

"Non-Disclosure Agreement" = just that, basically. In fact, even releasing that bit of information means I must now kill both of us..

Does that affect the release date in a negative way? ;)

I'm afraid I can't comment on that ;)

[Tom_1970]

:D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

hehehehhe..... :lol:

DS

[blay]

Access released the B-series at Frankfurt Messe, and also the C series at the Messe when it came along. Made sense, seeing as they're German/European, and it's a local venue.

so dont hold your breath cause we will prob see the ti at messe '06.....

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Blay have you gone out and bought an alternative synth or are you still waiting for the TI?

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

How much does it cost a company to attend one of these big music shows? How much does it cost to set up at NAMM?

Just interested.......

*How many people typically attend these events?

DS

[vls]

Thank you for your mail. Zum aktuellen Zeitpunkt koennen wir leider keinen exakten Termin nennen.
Die TI Serie befindet sich im Beta-Test und selbstverstaendlich sind wir darum bemueht, die TI Serie
schnellstmoeglich fertigzustellen. Wir werden die TI Serie allerdings erst auf den Markt bringen,
wenn die Einbindung in die Host Sequencer entsprechend problemlos laeuft. Selbstverstaendlich
sprechen wir nicht von weiteren Monaten, aber mit Ende April kann es eventuell knapp werden.

:roll:

[jan961]

javascript:emoticon(':lol:')javascript:emoticon(':cry:')javascript:emoticon('8O' )

Translated

Thank you for your mail. At this time we can unfortunately call no accurate date. The TI series is in the beta test and naturally is endeavored we to finish the TI series as fast as possible. We will however only bring the TI to series on the market if the integration runs into the host Sequencer accordingly problem-free. Of course we do not speak of further months, but with at the end of April can become possibly scarce it

regards
jan

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

THats the thing about software based synths.....you never know its finished till its actually 'finished'

DS :evil:

[F5D]

"We will however only bring the TI to series on the market if the integration runs into the host Sequencer accordingly problem-free."
This is just what I've been saying all the time and it's quite obvious that this is the problem why they haven't already brought the synth out. The integration part won't be problem free to make. It's like building a nuclear bomb. :wink:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I think realistically we could be looking at another six months.....

There have been a few products announced but then released a whole year later......maybe its Access' turn. You guys remember the Kurzweil VA1....where is it?

Its a waiting game for sure. The frustrating thing is not nowing for how long. If Access told us it would be within 6 months I could live with that.....but Im going from week to week for updates....and yes even I find it frustrating. Now id better go make my self a nice cup of shut the fuck up.

DS :lol:

[blay]

Blay have you gone out and bought an alternative synth or are you still waiting for the TI?

DS

still waiting mate :roll:
fortunately i have a kb in the studio to tie me over in the meantime....

anyone else notice that this thread has had over 10,000 views?

cheers

blay

[Gopal]

This could also possibly be the longest thread on this forum 8O

Erect me if I'm wrong :P

[Hollowcell]

This could also possibly be the longest thread on this forum 8O


I was just about to say the same thing!

The length of this thread indicates just how long Access has strung you guys along. 8O

At least they've said something a little more concrete now though "Thank you for your mail. At this time we can unfortunately call no accurate date."

Gotta love their methods don't ya!? :wink:

[blay]

This could also possibly be the longest thread on this forum 8O

Erect me if I'm wrong :P


It is by far. just check the statistics to see...


cheers

blay

[Timo]

This could also possibly be the longest thread on this forum 8O

Erect me if I'm wrong :P

Failing looking at your avatar, there are pills for that.....

[technomonster]

the interesting thing is,

one of my collegues went to NAMM and played on the ACCESS VIRUS TI.

he has never been interested in any ACCESS VIRUS's in the past, not really his music feild entirely.
he said that it was the most magnificent looking synth he had ever seen.
(all forms)
hE ALSO said that it sounded brilliant.

he also mentioned how the ROLAND V-SYNTH RACK sounded increadible and it had an amazing vocoder- a must to buy just for that.

these were the 2 things that really impressed him there.

i am waiting for it as well. maybe ACCESS released it too soon in their advertising because they were quite excited.

i guess it must be software issues, not that i really know what is involved with that.
i hope there is nothing too wrong with it. it is mucking up my music carreer abit, actually. it is prolonging a release date of CD release (fantasy maybe). anyway hope all is well.

[Nigel Harkness]

the interesting thing is,

one of my collegues went to NAMM and played on the ACCESS VIRUS TI.

he has never been interested in any ACCESS VIRUS's in the past, not really his music feild entirely.
he said that it was the most magnificent looking synth he had ever seen.
(all forms)
hE ALSO said that it sounded brilliant.

he also mentioned how the ROLAND V-SYNTH RACK sounded increadible and it had an amazing vocoder- a must to buy just for that.

these were the 2 things that really impressed him there.

i am waiting for it as well. maybe ACCESS released it too soon in their advertising because they were quite excited.

i guess it must be software issues, not that i really know what is involved with that.
i hope there is nothing too wrong with it. it is mucking up my music carreer abit, actually. it is prolonging a release date of CD release (fantasy maybe). anyway hope all is well.

Double post much? :roll: :wink:

[Gopal]

This could also possibly be the longest thread on this forum 8O

Erect me if I'm wrong :P

Failing looking at your avatar, there are pills for that.....

Haha Timo

The Avatar usually does if for me. Pills are for pussies... :lol:

[technomonster]

sorry about the double post.

i copied and transfered my first post to this topic, thinking it better siuted here.

in the other topic, unfortunately it didnt offer me the choice of deleting. after i had done the transfer.
in other forums such as Vintage Synth Explorer, it does for a short period after one has posted something. i couldnt do anything about it.

[blay]

sorry about the double post.

no problem - i deleted the identical post from the other thread.

just dont do it again :wink:

cheers

blay

[Timo]

sorry about the double post.

no problem - i deleted the identical post from the other thread.

just dont do it again :wink:

cheers

blay

In that case you can delete the parrot message, lol.

And then this one afterwards.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

OK so the expected TI release is sometime in May......

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Ben can you do me a favour please. Once your through with Beta testing and patch creation.....send me your TI....there are some 80's sounds Id like to make. I dont know whether Access realise.....but some of the sounds Im going to make are gonna be a real selling point! hehe

DS :oops: :roll:

[EnjoyRC]

OK so the expected TI release is sometime in May......

DS
I was glad to get that email. At least it's not a day to day curiosity of whether it's shipping. Can relax for a bit now.

Yes, my situation is a bit different than most of you on here. For most of you, it's simply an upgrade with more features and abilities. I've never owned a Virus. This will be my first.

[MADSTATION]

Where do they say MAY?

They just said NOT april...

It might be may, it might be june! heh

[bj2001]

fuck nahhh
my music is dead since december
no VA to work with, i hate workin' on VSTI with a midi keyboard.
**** access music
:x

[vls]

fuck nahhh
my music is dead since december
no VA to work with, i hate workin' on VSTI with a midi keyboard.
**** access music
:x

the same here cause my kc was defective 3 times and i changed into a virus ti keys... but i wouldn't say "**** access music"... One the one hand i want a working Synth, so the release date is good for the synth, on the other hand, i would like to have my virus ti (perhaps at first without total integration) and an os update one month later....

Volker

[blay]

...the best we can forecast is a late may eta...

so why try to forecast a date at all?
nova should just change this info to read "access doesnt know when the TI is shipping so how the f*@& could *we* know?"

:roll: :evil:


cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I think maybe we should all totally forget about release dates and pretend that the TI was never officially announced. I dont think Access will ever announce a new synth until they are litrally about to begin shipping. I expect there are a few other manufacturers rubbing their hands in glee over this.......

Why oh why did this happen.

DS

[blay]

I dont think Access will ever announce a new synth until they are litrally about to begin shipping.

new synth...again. :wink:
This release is a shamozzle! (been a while since you heard that one i bet HC) :lol:

cheers

blay

[EnjoyRC]

Mental conditioning for everyone!

Start from the beginning: Did you hear that Access might be coming out with a new Virus?

[blay]

Start from the beginning: Did you hear that Access might be coming out with a new Virus?

Dont listen to the rumours.
Its a load of crap.
HOLD ON TO YOUR A'S, B'S AND C'S (and your shares :wink: )

cheers

blay

[EnjoyRC]

See, that's where we should be mentally right now. :roll:

[MarcTale]

This is what mydistributor told me today:
They called Access and had an angry chat with them. They told them many people want their money back.
Access said they will ship the TI within the next 2 weeks.
The distributor told me, they used "we hope we will ship" in earlier chats.

That?s what the distributor told me. So please don?t blame me - blame Blackfield.de when this information is wrong (Martina Gosebrink).
I just wanted to share this.

A guy living only 20 km away from Access.

Regards

MarcTale

[bj2001]

Mindfactory.de

it's a computer company !!?
they don't sell music gears !!

[MarcTale]

Sorry!!! Blackfield.de was meant!!!

Regards

MarcTale

[CJ]

just noticed something exciting. could be false alarm though.

thomann state the release date to be set to "30.04.2005"
they haven?t posted an expected release date until now.

[F5D]

ThI Access Oasys will ship in 2015. Go and buy your ex-C's back. :wink:

[EnjoyRC]

Access said they will ship the TI within the next 2 weeks.
Still sounds like that 4/27-4/29 date posted earlier.

Oh wait... we're suppose to be acting like it doesn't exist, never been announced, so we'll simply be surprised when it's shipped. :D

[rekkon@digilog]

Access said they will ship the TI within the next 2 weeks.
Still sounds like that 4/27-4/29 date posted earlier.

Oh wait... we're suppose to be acting like it doesn't exist, never been announced, so we'll simply be surprised when it's shipped. :D

THANK U ACCESS i have waited so long for the ti that i just couldnt wait

SO I BOUGHT AN EMU 6400ULTRA hardware rules


christmas anyone?

[Fumer]

However, if you look at novamusik.com on the scrolling text bar on the Access page if says: Access Virus TI ETA Update...word from inside Access is the beta testing is "now in the final stages". The best we can forecast is a late May ETA.

That late May part wasn't there earlier, so.......yikes. In the poll I did say May 30th, so we'll see what happens.

[Fumer]

Yet ZZsounds.com Has: More expected 04/29/2005.
Preorder today.

and samedaymusic.com: Order now -- expected in our warehouse 04/29/2005.

americanmusical.com: Available: 4/29/2005

*shrug* your guess is as good as mine. Novamusik, to me, is the more trustworthy out of them though.

[MarcTale]

Audiomensch.com even says : Available April, 15th 2005

http://www.audiomensch.com/oxid.php/sid/2bc63aad226de4f5c21f5c0aed799e4d/cl/details/cnid/-/anid/ba341924f27b2eac7.27501993/Access-Virus-TI-DESKTOP/

Shipping within 2-5 days.

Regards

MarcTale

P.S.: It might be available earlier in Germany/Europe...

[blay]

Novamusik, to me, is the more trustworthy out of them though.

Haha!

Back in late Nov 04 nova stated the the TI would be shipping in 4-6 days.
This prompted me to contact access for confirmation - and in turn access gave them a nice verbal slap on the wrist for their false advertising :roll:

It has been said before, but i will say it again....

WHEN IT IS SHIPPING IT WILL SAY SO ON THE ACCESS WEBSITE.

until then, word from distributors - or even any of the 'i am employed by access but i dont actually know anything' lemmings - is purely speculation

cheers

blay

[blay]

In the poll I did say May 30th, so we'll see what happens.

the poll you are referring to was on Virus TI Forums (http://www.virusti.com) - for those who have no idea what Fumer was talking about :wink:

here is a link to the poll:

http://virusti.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=96&s=7584cb64797e25e4750860f33603e7e7

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Arrgghh...its just depressing hearing about May 30th, April 15th, May this and June that. Its sending me fecking nuts.

Distributors are sending out false info....purely to whip up some pre-orders and keep existing customers happy. It sucks.....

When the TI is ready...Access will inform us. The problem for me....is that if this doesnt happen soon....I will have spent the money on something else. Its very difficult keeping ?1500 set aside when all you wanna do is spend it on something you enjoy.....

DS

[blay]

Its very difficult keeping ?1500 set aside when all you wanna do is spend it on something you enjoy.....

DS

I know what you mean DS.

My bank account is only $400 over the amount i need for my TI - and the company I work for hasnt confirmed anymore contracts for weeks....

needless to say i am slightly frustrated with the situation.

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Im taking some time off this forum.....probably about 4 weeks. I need to chill out (got uni exams and waiting for the TI is sending me nuts). So can you guys do me a favour. Email me when the TI comes out lol :wink:

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Look at this thread....

11,000 views and over 400 responses. This is the biggest thread ive ever seen seen on *any* internet forum.

DS

[Juho L]

11,000 views and over 400 responses. This is the biggest thread ive ever seen seen on *any* internet forum.

The first off topic thread in muusikoiden.net. Over 25000 posts. That same thread got eventually locked up because it was so massive that it slowed down the server and even caused it to crash. But that was the best thread I've ever seen. Lot's of great ideas were born there.

[blay]

So can you guys do me a favour. Email me when the TI comes out lol :wink:

DS

hehe no prob DS :lol:

cheers

blay

[MarcTale]

The Joke-Thread in German keyboads.de forum has 3040 replies and over 166210 views.
It lasts for over 3 years now.

http://forum.keyboards.de/forum-cgi/read.cgi?ID=10600&Re=0&Ru=27

New world record I think ...

MarcTale

[Juho L]

The first off topic thread in muusikoiden.net. Over 25000 posts. That same thread got eventually locked up because it was so massive that it slowed down the server and even caused it to crash. But that was the best thread I've ever seen. Lot's of great ideas were born there.

I checked this thing out. 25,000 posts was an underestimation. 70,012 is the exact number. A joke thread with 3040 replies is a joke compared to our own mammoth creation. I'm really proud of that beast.

I don't know how many views that thread got because there are no view counter in muusikoiden.net (if assumed that it has same post/view ratio as that joke thread, there would be about 3,827,860 views).

[Timo]

The first off topic thread in muusikoiden.net. Over 25000 posts. That same thread got eventually locked up because it was so massive that it slowed down the server and even caused it to crash. But that was the best thread I've ever seen. Lot's of great ideas were born there.

I checked this thing out. 25,000 posts was an underestimation. 70,012 is the exact number. A joke thread with 3040 replies is a joke compared to our own mammoth creation. I'm really proud of that beast.

I don't know how many views that thread got because there are no view counter in muusikoiden.net (if assumed that it has same post/view ratio as that joke thread, there would be about 3,827,860 views).

What was the topic? The usual crappy word-association threads that inhabit pretty much every forum usually run on, literally, forever.

The longest thread I know (which had a proper subject/discussion, as opposed to jokes or word-association) was The "P-p-p-powerbook" thread which got absolutely massive airplay.

[technomonster]

actually,

i spoke to a highly respected psychic.

he said June 20th.

So June 20th it is.

[Juho L]

What was the topic? The usual crappy word-association threads that inhabit pretty much every forum usually run on, literally, forever.

The topic was off topicism, which meant that it was more like an IRC discussion.

The longest thread I know (which had a proper subject/discussion, as opposed to jokes or word-association) was The "P-p-p-powerbook" thread which got absolutely massive airplay.

That was classic!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

That is an insane number of posts....just amazing lol

DS :lol:

[blay]

Availability: Due In 3 to 7 Days.

:roll:

yeah we'll soon see.....

cheers

blay

[technomonster]

nope, its definately
June 20th(release date)

this psychic is really good with a great track record.

he even said that i would be famous by the end of 2009.

cant be wrong there.

[Fumer]

:?

[bj2001]

Soon or later :D
i think Musikthomann release's date is serious.

[MarcTale]

So, I just called Access (Mike Caroll) and they still have no idea when it will come out!!

So, I think that?s it for me!
I?m sick of waiting!!!

MarcTale

[MADSTATION]

Guys...How can you possibly believe a retailer's date when Access don't even know WHEN and IF the thing will ship!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Will it be 2 weeks, will it be 2 days, will it be June or will it be May....know one clearly knows. How annoying....im just sick of these romours. Im so tempted to buy myself a N2x 2morrow and just wait a year or so for the TI to establish itself.

DS

[Timo]

Round and round, here it goes. Where it stops, no one knows!

[CJ]

...yeah, so I just lost a bit of the faith I had for the release date ?30.04.2005?.

According to Thomann they got this date from the German distributor, but the person I contacted said he was quite skeptic about that date.

At least I?m the 2nd customer who?ll be getting the TI as soon as they get it in stock!

[blay]

So, I just called Access (Mike Caroll) and they still have no idea when it will come out!!

So, I think that?s it for me!
I?m sick of waiting!!!

MarcTale

I also contacted Mike Carrol yesterday regarding the release info that audiomensch and sam ash were displaying on the websites....


Hallo Pete - The Virus TI is still not shipping, and Access have made no availability date announcement as at the time of writing. Any individual Dealer announcements are therefore not true!! Best - Mike

So - back to square one.

Quite frankly I am sick of this wild goose chase.
If it ships in May I will buy, otherwise I think a DS evolver and a lead 2x will be heading my way...

cheers

blay

[ten]

Well if gimps would stop posting here what they have been told by a distributor or what they have read on some website like it is concrete information it would not be so bad.

I loose count how many times ive said this now but muppets continue to post dates like they are solid facts regardless.....one more time for good luck....'NO ONE KNOWS WHEN IT WILL SHIP APART FROM ACCESS (and they obviously dont know yet either :) THEY WILL LET US KNOW AS SOON AS ITS READY TO SHIP. NO ONE ELSE WILL KNOW BEFORE THEN, ESPECIALLY WANKY DISTRIBUTORS WHO DONT HAVE A FUCKING CLUE'

I especially cant stand the chimps that keep saying shit like 'I have it on good authority' or 'I have information from a special source close to Access that it will be shipping on blah blah' You dont, you are talking shit, you know as much as we know and the same goes for the person who told you it.....FUCK ALL!

So please people for the love of fucking god stop posting dates that are not from Access themselves as they WILL fall through as they are bshit.

In Marcs most recent communication he said it wont be shipping before May so thats it, thats the latest news you have, nothing more. It will ship in May or after.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL Ten.....'tis true :wink:

Now c'mon guys.....no more disinformatation ur sending me fecking nuts :twisted: :lol:

DS

[technomonster]

A EnjoyRC post

He contacted GFS, who is Access' primary distributor that brings them into the US, and he was informed by them, that arrival is now set in June.


told you.

my psychic said June 20th. putting my money on it.

[ten]

I give up :?

ten

[Hollowcell]

Well if gimps would stop posting here what they have been told by a distributor or what they have read on some website like it is concrete information it would not be so bad.

Hehe, this is true, but in all seriousness.....

My distributor told me that Access was gunna ship the synths on May 12th, sometime between 2 and 3pm depending on the weather. What I hear is that the trucks have fresh paint and Access are worried about getting them out if it's raining.

So it all depends on the rain! You heard it here first. :D

[bj2001]

i'm hella piss
i was about to get a second hand Waldorf micro Q kb on ebay
then i change my mind
A Oberheim MX, a clavia 2X or III (i owwned it b4)
Damnn i passed the whole afternoon, lookin' the spec, listening to demo see if it fits into my set...
& i conclude the best thing would be the Access Virus TI Polar for the spec, his size, 16 part, 16 FX.
Damn it. I think i will buy a MFB Synth II cos it sounds real fat. :wink:

[Fumer]

Hey I'm not a gimp.... :roll:

[Gopal]

/me laughs at Ten banging head against wall as the gimps continue to post

:lol:

"They said it would be December '04 and I believe em"

8)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL....'gimp' is a funny word

DS

[Hollowcell]

"They said it would be December '04 and I believe em"

8)

Hehehe. That was before the fresh paint went on the trucks though. :D

[Timo]

Maybe they're stuck in traffic? :)

BLAY, I SINCERELY HOPE I HAVEN'T SCARED YOU OFF, MATE! Come back!

[blay]

You wont get rid of me that easy Timo. :wink:

cheers

blay

[Hollowcell]

Some new news!!!

From what my distributor tells me...

The trucks are now having some sort of GPS software conflict too, and may have to go back in for more beta testing. 8O

Will the TI ever ship?
Will the TI part of the TI, really TI?
Will the paint on the trucks ever dry?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of....

Fuck the customer!

And no you can't use this catch phrase Access. I know DS sold out for a T-shirt and all, but it'll take more with me. :D

All in good fun by the way guys. :wink:

[blay]

Some new news!!!

From what my distributor tells me...

The trucks are now having some sort of GPS software conflict too, and may have to go back in for more beta testing. 8O

Will the TI ever ship?
Will the TI part of the TI, really TI?
Will the paint on the trucks ever dry?

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of....

Fuck the customer!

And no you can't use this catch phrase Access. I know DS sold out for a T-shirt and all, but it'll take more with me. :D

All in good fun by the way guys. :wink:

Post of the year HC :lol:

I dont often laugh out loud reading forums, but this cracked me :wink:

[grs]

They could just give us a memory wipe like it never happened. Hang on what am I doing at this forum? hmm,. :roll: I was doing a search for a computer virus.

[Timo]

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of....

Fuck the customer!

buaahahahha

http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/roflmao.gif http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/crytears.gif http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/lol6.gif

[squeaky voice] "please sir, i wants a hypersaw!" > http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/cry.gif http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/evilwhip.gif < "i'll give you hypersore, gimme your lunch money you customer biyatch!"

sorry, shouldn't laugh

[Timo]

They could just give us a memory wipe like it never happened. Hang on what am I doing at this forum? hmm,. :roll: I was doing a search for a computer virus.
http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/MIB.gif

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I know DS sold out for a T-shirt and all, but it'll take more with me. :D

Oh damn.....the cats out of the bag

DS

[i3]

man you would have to think that access would get tired of all the calls and emails about bad marketing and unhappy customers. So far my experience with access music has been shite. First virus I bought had faulty hardware and now this for the 2nd attempt to buy. The thing that sux most is that I already bought the TI and I payed for it in december. Access admit it! you guys got in over your heads with this one...

[blay]

Access admit it! you guys got in over your heads with this one...

thats fairly obvious - lets just hope it ships within the next month.

I hope access rewards its faithful preorder customers with a deserved reward for their patience :wink:

cheers

blay

[MarcTale]

Yep!
Hello Access - USB2 would be nice. With enough Audio-Outs... :wink:

Regards

MarcTale

[Nigel Harkness]

Access admit it! you guys got in over your heads with this one...

thats fairly obvious - lets just hope it ships within the next month.

I hope access rewards its faithful preorder customers with a deserved reward for their patience :wink:

cheers

blay

A drop in price would be nice even though it won't happen.

[MADSTATION]

MarcTale...The hardware was finalized a while ago so there is no way that this will happen for the first version of the TI!

I agree with you tho, this would have rocked.

[MarcTale]

Yeah I know!
Please just let me dream on......

Dreaming

MarcTale

[Hollowcell]

I hope access rewards its faithful preorder customers with a deserved reward for their patience :wink:


How does a free T-shirt sound? On the T-shirt it could read "I waited for the TI for 6 months, but still I will advertise the company for free".

:D

"6 months" is subject to change of course. Do I hear 8, no 9, how about 10?!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Lets just hope what happened to the Kurzveil VA1 doesnt turn into a TI issue.....

People are still waiting for the VA 1 to be released....and if memory serves me correctly....that was 'announced' back in January 2004.

DS

[blay]

People are still waiting for the VA 1 to be released....and if memory serves me correctly....that was 'announced' back in January 2004.

DS

who knows mate.
Im going to upgrade from a powerbook to a new pc desktop over the next couple of weeks - should keep my GAS at bay for at least a couple of months till the TI arrives :wink:

cheers

blay

[Doc Jones]

did access ever make an official statement regarding upgrading from usb1 to usb2? Meaning, at some point down the road if they do implement usb2, will the original ti owners be able to upgrade (ie buy some sort of optional card) so that we can now utilize the bandwidth of the usb2 spec?

[blay]

will the original ti owners be able to upgrade (ie buy some sort of optional card) so that we can now utilize the bandwidth of the usb2 spec?

doubt it.

how else will they be able to drum up sales for the TI2? :roll:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Yes, sadly I think as the TI OS grows....the limitation of USB1 will become all the more apparent. Afterall the TI is an exceptionally powerful synth beast......

Having said that, the Total Integration aspect wont be used by me. Im happy to use analog outputs the good 'ol fashioned way. The insane polyphony, hypersaw, wavetables and delay+reverb are what I'll be using most. An additional filter type would also be very nice. How about a TB303, Jupiter, Prophet and Oberheim filter. Now that really would cover some sonic ground :wink:

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well put it this way. If it became apparent that USB1 was not fast enough for future features....then one would legitimately have to ask why it was implemented in the first place. Especially considering that USB2 nowadays isnt exactly going to break the bank...

DS

[ben crosland]

Yes, sadly I think as the TI OS grows....the limitation of USB1 will become all the more apparent.
DS

I don't see how this would have any impact on the effectiveness of USB? The end result will still be MIDI+Audio, no matter what features may be added..

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Ben, am I right or wrong in thinking the TI can stream 16 channels of audio over USB? Ive heard people talking about it doing 3 stereo pairs or 6 mono..... So whats this...either 3 or 6 part multitimbral over USB? Why not the full 16?

The truth is...the USB thingy wont be of much use to me initially as i tend to use analog outs.

I know there was some discussion on this sometime ago....but im a techno newbie and all these facts and figures dont mean a whole lot to me :lol:

DS

[ten]

It was two stereo to begin with but then marc bumped this up to three depending on samplerate/bitrate I think. Even though it would of been nice to have all 16 over usb2 or firewire. Three is a bit wanky considering you have a 16 multimb synth.

ten

[Royalston]

I dont want to dissapoint anyone (anymore than they already are)...and I know you guys dont put much faith in Distributors, but I recieved this info in an email from the 'president' of Bananas.com:
Quote:
"By the way, we have been told June at the earliest for the Virus - - apparently their first operating system did not meet expectations, and they are in a re-write. the hardware, it seems, is ready to rock."

I ordered and paid for my T.I in December
:(

Royalston

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

It was two stereo to begin with but then marc bumped this up to three depending on samplerate/bitrate I think. Even though it would of been nice to have all 16 over usb2 or firewire. Three is a bit wanky considering you have a 16 multimb synth.

ten

You know......Access is no synth light weight in the industry....im very suprised that they were unable to get a good deal on USB 2 (at the very least)....considering they sell synths in relatively large numbers.

This does add a little bit to my concerns... Undoubtedly the TI-2 will have an upgraded spec. I really do hope that the USB1 is not some kinda built in design limitation just so they can market the TI-2 as being more powerful. Because.....as much as I like Access and their synths....I would just find it so unacceptable that I'd probably never buy again. Put it this way....its only a matter of time before the model is superceeded.....and this seems to be part of the company's vision. Im already beginning to think about waiting for the enevitable TI-2 purely because I can already see a few niggling things which will later addressed.

Does anyone share this concern? Dont get me wrong, I still believe the TI is the dogs bollox......but the longer one waits...the more one can pick it to pieces.

DS

[markorbit]

If true, that would explain quite a bit.

I dont want to dissapoint anyone (anymore than they already are)...and I know you guys dont put much faith in Distributors, but I recieved this info in an email from the 'president' of Bananas.com:
Quote:
"By the way, we have been told June at the earliest for the Virus - - apparently their first operating system did not meet expectations, and they are in a re-write. the hardware, it seems, is ready to rock."

I ordered and paid for my T.I in December
:(

Royalston

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I dont know about you guys....but with the KC I always felt it was not quite the synth i wanted it to be. Namely....needed a bit more poly and wanted delay *and* reverb......

ok so I sold it for much needed money at uni.....

Now im waiting for the TI to materialize (and im sure it will in time). The TI does represent a workstation synth....theres no doubt about that. However, despite all the great new features of the TI.....it yet again 'just falls short' of what I'd consider to be the perfect synth. Wouldnt it be nice if Access could just get it right with the TI and not bring out some kinda MKii version in 2-3 years time...

You guessed it guys.....DS is pissed off.....im just having my rant. Ive got a nice cup of shut the fuck up brewing......so I'll leave it like that.

*Still think the TI is da dogs bollox though. And the USB1 thingy doesnt bother me at all as I dont have any plans to use it. Im just worried Access will bring out the MKii version with the upgraded spec once the current line of TI's are sold. Hence.....I dont particulalrly want to be the first group of people to get the TI.

DS

[Timo]

It was two stereo to begin with but then marc bumped this up to three depending on samplerate/bitrate I think. Even though it would of been nice to have all 16 over usb2 or firewire. Three is a bit wanky considering you have a 16 multimb synth.

ten

You know......Access is no synth light weight in the industry....im very suprised that they were unable to get a good deal on USB 2 (at the very least)....considering they sell synths in relatively large numbers.

This does add a little bit to my concerns... Undoubtedly the TI-2 will have an upgraded spec. I really do hope that the USB1 is not some kinda built in design limitation just so they can market the TI-2 as being more powerful. Because.....as much as I like Access and their synths....I would just find it so unacceptable that I'd probably never buy again.

I concur. Earlier I said that, if the TI had Firewire or USB2, it would have ensured it to become a future classic.

....Otherwise if the TI-2 has the additional bandwidth, second hand prices of the original TI may not be good for the seller (seeing as, in two years time, making music solely with computers will be even more prevalent than it is now, and hardware keyboards will perhaps have a more tough time being sold second hand - especially with more inferior integration than they could easily have otherwise have had. This could have been Access' last chance to make a storming hardware synthesiser, who knows?).

For example: How many (even brand new) standalone USB v1 soundcards sell well today? Which follows that, how many USB v1 soundcards will sell well in two years time?.....

The TI is a great synth, otherwise. Kicks ass. The only other shortfall, in my mind, which I would've loved it to have had is a ribbon or XY-pad controller for different modulation effects other than just linear knob twisting.

You know, I really honestly can't believe that Access haven't taken the opportunity to improve in this aspect with each incarnation of the Virus, right from the Virus A. It's an expressive synth, but there aren't many expressive "real-time" controls to take advantage over it, and it just hasn't been improved in this area. At all.

...Imagine controlling the wavetables with a ribbon controller by stabbing at it in different places with your finger (as opposed to smooth knob-transitions), or modulating this to another parameter like filter cut-off for gated/stuttered effects. If it had pressure sensitivity you could modulate filter cut-off in the X plane (left to right), and resonance in the Z (pressure) plane. Heaps of potential expression, all with using one finger.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

:oops:

[Nigel Harkness]

I know this has been done a million times over but here is a message I just recieved from sweetwater.com:

I got this message from my purchasing agent last week and figured you
would want to see it:

Virus TI ETA has been pushed out based on the below message:

04/20/05 From Geoff Farr @ GSF Agency "I met w/Access in Frankfurt
during the trade show. Since they have missed a couple of ship dates they
were reluctant to give an ETA, but out of my meeting w/them it is my
opinion that the TI's hopefully will ship in 4 to 6 weeks." jag

I tell you what if I come back from Hawaii, May 26th, and that puppy is not here I am more than likely going to cancel and get a bunch of shit off of e-bay.

[Timo]

:oops:

??

(PS > Of course, if it has customisable/importable wavetables I'd forego the shortcomings, hehe. ;) ;) )

[blay]

I tell you what if I come back from Hawaii, May 26th, and that puppy is not here I am more than likely going to cancel and get a bunch of shit off of e-bay.

may as well cancel now and start your buying spree nigel :wink: :roll:

access are reluctant to give promises on shipping dates that they know they will only break....

if this info in regard to a possible total OS rewrite has any validity then I think there is a chance we will be waiting for at least another 3 months :(

cheers

blay

[Nigel Harkness]

They are totally rewriting the whole OS?

[bj2001]

http://www.thomann.de/iw_smb_suche.html?SUBJECT=KOMFORTSUCHE&iwid=9&SUCHBEGRIFF=virus

the wait is fuckin' too long, it's unbearable.
check musikthomann.
i guess we will get the gear earlier in europ? than in the US.

[MarcTale]

I called Thomann and they just forgot to change their information about the shipping date.
So everything?s back to "never"... :?

MarcTale

[bj2001]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[blay]

expect the worst and anything else you get is a bonus... :?

there is no way you will see access admitting to a full OS rewrite.

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

expect the worst and anything else you get is a bonus... :?

there is no way you will see access admitting to a full OS rewrite.

cheers

blay

Expect death and anything esle you get is a bonus......

:lol:

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

One thing I was thinking about today......

Ok, the Virus TI was originally announced in november 2004......does anyone here think its strange that the manual hasnt been released yet for us to read. I mean....I can understand there being holdups with the programming or whatever.....but if they thought it would be shipping back in 2004 then why hasnt the manual been published at least? Could it be the Ti features are still subject to change? Could it be that the TI is actually far from completion and we dont know the full story. Why oh why cant they put some kinda progress chart on their website indicating roughly how long certain aspects are taking. Ken McBeth spent a good 3.5 years developing the M5...and every step of the way he updated the site....even with trivial information such as 'the pots have now arrived from Japan.....and the metal case work is nearly done'.....atleast snippits of info like this engages potential customers and keep them upto speed with the progress being made. Honestly, as things stand right now....we just have no idea at what stage the TI is at....and if the pst 5 months are anything to go by...how the hell can Access expect us to keep hanging on like this. Put the ball on the other foot will ya...and see it from our perspective.

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Public relations are so important to build and maintain....and the fiasco over the TI is really eroding confidence.....

Come on Access.....engage you customer base......it'll be your downfall if you neglect us.

DS

[ten]

I must agree DS although it seems anything like this falls on deaf ears. Ive lost count how many times ive posted here or to the access list asking what the hold us is or why they choose not to communicate any information whatsoever and I dont even get an aknowledgement, totally ignored each time. Its pathetic really, whatever they hope to acheive by this total blanket of silence is beyond me and quite disrespectful to its customer base, especially people who have paid for this synth 5 months ago.

ten

[blay]

honestly - why would access give a shit about a few whinging customers when they already have millions of euros in presales?

:?

cheers

blay

[grs]

DS they can't write a manual if a feature hasn't been finnished.

[ben crosland]

Perhaps I should point out here that Access doesn't actually have any of those 'millions' of Euros - pre-sales are by no means the same thing as sales!

[blay]

Perhaps I should point out here that Access doesn't actually have any of those 'millions' of Euros - pre-sales are by no means the same thing as sales!

"if you build it, they will come".

...to quote a really bad old american dream film.

:wink:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Blay.....you seen 'Field of Dreams' then hehehe

You love it really!

DS :lol:

[blay]

sorry to mislead you into thinking that i actually appreciated something that was created in the 80s beside my girlfriend DS - but that music sucked ass. :?

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

sorry to mislead you into thinking that i actually appreciated something that was created in the 80s beside my girlfriend DS

Arrrrrghhhhhh.......... 8O

And there I was thinking you had some style heheheeheh :wink:

BTW man my CD is nearly ready for you (all those synth demo's).....email me some kinda address soon :)

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I know some people have commented on the user interface (UI) of the TI not being that great for the new wavetable section.....but to put it into perspective....the Waldorf XTK (a wavetable synth by all measures) also lacks many of the suggestions made.

DS

[MADSTATION]

From what I've seen of the TI interface it seems to rock! At least it looks very, very good imo :)

Maybe the wavetable section could use some work but still, I was very impressed by the looks of that UI.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

One thing which glares out at me as 'missing'......is a dedicated keyboard split button. All of the 80's synth (which had this split function) had a button for it. This is particularly essential when jamming with friends and you need to quickly select sounds 'n zones.....

I miss this feature on the Virus.

DS

[FloatingPoint]

The latest ETA on zZounds.com is end of June (had been end of April). I'm not saying it will be here by then--rather, it will definitely NOT be here before then.

I hate to put this in such harsh terms, but anybody who still has a TI pre-order standing at this point has got to be brain dead (forgive me, those who do, but this is tough love for your own good). Any product that's delayed over six months has obviously got some SERIOUS problems. A complete OS rewrite is not out of the question. But who's to say that this rewrite will itself be satisfactory? It may take yet another rewrite, and then 3 to 6 more months.

Unless you're loaded and can drop 2-3K USD without giving it a second thought, I would definitely wait until that machine undergoes some pretty rigorous testing by users and legitimate reviewers like Sound on Sound before committing to buy.

I've resigned myself to the fact that it will be AT LEAST a full year before I buy one a TI, if ever. Once you get used to the idea, it's not that tough to take. You just move on with your life and actually do something productive.

[Doc Jones]

Here's why I think Access has to (and will) turn out a great working product once the TI is released - revenue!! Right now all of those preorders are just that - preorders, which is not the same as sales - they have collected no money from anyone with a preorder. 2nd, when they prematurely announced the TI, they also prematurely discontinued their flagship Virus C line, so they are no longer making money off of that. So they have had all this money going into R&D and marketing of their new product and only have revenue streams from what? the virus classic and powercore lines? So with all this money tied up into the TI line and the limited revenue stream they currently have, they know that they HAVE TO release a good product!! If they don't and the reviews get out that the instrument is buggy, then most will hold off on buying - at which point Access will be in serious, serious trouble. Again, this is just my thoughts as I really have no way of knowing Access's current fiscal position.

[ben crosland]

The latest ETA on zZounds.com is end of June (had been end of April). I'm not saying it will be here by then--rather, it will definitely NOT be here before then.

I believe this info is no more reliable than any other dealer's estimates, early or late.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Here's why I think Access has to (and will) turn out a great working product once the TI is released - revenue!! Right now all of those preorders are just that - preorders, which is not the same as sales - they have collected no money from anyone with a preorder. 2nd, when they prematurely announced the TI, they also prematurely discontinued their flagship Virus C line, so they are no longer making money off of that. So they have had all this money going into R&D and marketing of their new product and only have revenue streams from what? the virus classic and powercore lines? So with all this money tied up into the TI line and the limited revenue stream they currently have, they know that they HAVE TO release a good product!! If they don't and the reviews get out that the instrument is buggy, then most will hold off on buying - at which point Access will be in serious, serious trouble. Again, this is just my thoughts as I really have no way of knowing Access's current fiscal position.

Sure, the TI will either be the synth which gurantees Access's success for another 10 years.....or it'll be the synth which broke the camels back. I expect it will be the former....

But bear in mind.....all the great synth manufacturers have gone bust at some point. Some have even reappeared recently....(Sequential, Moog, Waldorf, Elka etc etc). Lets just get the TI ontot the market and start using the darn thing! Even if Access scrubed the idea of Total Integration totally and released it as a new super powerful Virus....it would still merit owning. It is my opinion that Access are spending too long on a feature which 80% wont be using...or at the least not using fully. But who knows...

DS

[bj2001]

I don't give a fuck about the vsti integration, they should have release a first OS with the hardware & then release online an OS to make the software work later.
damnn i'm about to buy an andromeda instead.
Matter of time.

[Gopal]

Kinda makes you wonder why they didn't offer two versions.

One with and one without the software. Some of us would just love to own the new Virus, with the new waveforms and insane amount of voices. We aren't used to using the TI concept so we wouldn't have known what we are missing.

Rebadge some the 'Access VD' and release them :wink:

hahahahaha :lol: