Expected TI shipping

[Nigel Harkness]

Just talked to the sales rep. where I ordered my TI desktop. They are expecting the first batch to get in on 1/7/05 unless Virus pushes the date back.

[Smag]

The first batch are due into London (Turnkey) on Dec 21st, just in time for me to demo the Hypersaw in front of my grandparents on Christmas Day.

[Merlot]

just got off the phone with zzounds.com and they are still saying the first shipment is due on the 17th of Dec and the second one is due on the 30th. Also novamusik.com said access is telling them they will have it on the 21st of Dec.
Maybe access is not saying anything b/c they want to treat it as a christmas present type of deal. Who knows. JUST GIVE US A F^&*IN DATE!!!!

[blay]

:lol:

..the desperation :wink:

I really hope everyone has the perfect xmas....

[Merlot]

The desperation would be OK if I had something else to use. I have logic pro 7 underneath my tree wrapped, and waiting on the TI. Thie thing is I paid for em both, but cant use either one. Can you understand the desperation now? :x :x :x :x

[Merlot]

I take that back, i didn't pay for LP7, my wife did. :D

[blay]

Can you understand the desperation now? :x :x :x :x

i sold shares which have gone up nearly a dollar each since to buy the ti.
i have preordered, and was prepared to make payment in full to guarantee my self a unit in the first shipment, but only a $200 deposit was necessary...
ever since i have been hounding people all over the world for more info.

...yeah i understand your desperation :wink:

[Hollowcell]

Hehehe, this is a classic! Takes me back to the days when I was waiting months for my C to arrive.

[jasedee]

Mate.....I cruised into the store, picked up the RackXL under my arm and walked the fuck out :)

But.....It was such a f*ckin headache to get my G5.....soundcard incompatabilities, software updates etc...

I feel you pain!

(But still......sucked in!!!!! )

[blay]

(But still......sucked in!!!!! )

:lol:
he who laughs last laughs loudest....
you can keep yo giddy ass giggling all the way till mid january jasedee - until I send you a pic of my new ti keyboard sitting in my studio :twisted:
besides i have a kb to keep me occupied in the meantime, while i think up twisted applications for 9 sawtooths in parallel :wink:

[MADSTATION]

For some reason...The TI POLAR sounds SO surreal(even if I preordered from Novamusik), I can't even imagine what my reaction would be if I get it within a month or so!

When I think about it, I kinda see it in a more distant future...
I'd rather have it in 6 weeks and be really impressed than have it next week and find out they rushed the release!

[mcoyote]

...I'd rather have it in 6 weeks and be really impressed than have it next week and find out they rushed the release!

The harsh truth is that in these first couple of batches, it won't matter -- you will be seing beta software. The good news is updating the OS over USB will be faster than MIDI. Just hope they don't get any of the loader- type firmware wrong, or we early adopters will be in a world of hurt.

[i3]

Hey everyone

ya im still waiting too. Since I sold my indigo I have this space on my desk I need to fill. NovaMusic told me the 2nd and 3rd week of Dec and thats not including the boat over to santa monica where the distributor is. Then to WI where nova is then back california where I am...shheeesh...Ti has traveled more than I have and it hasnt even been sent..haha...and who knows how long customs will take due to xmas and tighter inspections (you may find OSAMA hiding in your TI box...hehe)...For the first shipment im worried more for the hardware then the software issues. In some of the responses in the access list that the first release is basic and there is more to come. I worked with buggy softs or OS's before and they will always gets fixed but to buy faulty hardware is another thing. my first virus (first series indigo 2 and first shippment) had motherboard issues and sat in the box for a year disgruntled. So hopefully my 2nd run with the virus will a good one. :)

[MADSTATION]

" In some of the responses in the access list that the first release is basic and there is more to come."

Serious?

If it's the case I might look into cancelling my preorder and wait a few months.

[i3]

usually inititial releases are bone dry. You didnt get the moog filter til 6.5 in the c series. Im sure access has it under control and there should be no worries.

[MADSTATION]

i3: Yeah so you're talking about the OS updates...
I used to have a KC and I bought it for its initial set of features. I was very happy when they announced some additional features such as the moog filter...

I thought you meant that they were planning to release an updated TI in a few months lol(they probably will anyway... I still don't understand why the TI isnt firewire!)

sorry about that ;)

[mcoyote]

...If it's the case I might look into cancelling my preorder and wait a few months.

FWIW, novamusic and bananas are still pre-selling them for $1,600, which will probably be below the price once the TI is actually out. Other vendors such as samedaymusic and audiomidi have gone up to $1,900.

[wildbill]

i pre-ordered once and found out it's not the way for me to go - i can't stand the suspense. :x

i like to pay for what i want and walk out the door with it.
if that means waiting a little more or maybe even paying a little more, it's worth it to me. :wink:

i don't think nova will raise the price after they come out tho.

[i3]

not to get anybodys hopes up but my buddy works for guitar center and and to find out they are a authorized dealer :) . he said that san fransisco and seattle is already expecting a shipment any day. :) I think im gonna cancel my pre order with nova and get locally. hopefully this is true.

[Merlot]

not to get anybodys hopes up but my buddy works for guitar center and and to find out they are a authorized dealer :) . he said that san fransisco and seattle is already expecting a shipment any day. :) I think im gonna cancel my pre order with nova and get locally. hopefully this is true.

Man,
I hope you are right. I have mine pre ordered through Guitar center here in tacoma WA, about 30 miles osuth of Seattle. But if not, life goes on.

[mcoyote]

(...Psst...US buyers...I moved my order for a desktop to novamusik last night because they swore I would be in the first shipment, and that should at least by then end of the year -- 2004, that is. If yer desperate, you might call them...still $1,600...)

[blay]

he said that san fransisco and seattle is already expecting a shipment any day. :)

pfft.... :roll:
'anyday' between now - and then end of say, jan next year :wink:

The following quotes are from Mike Carrol, who works for the international sales dep at access... (perhaps his word might be a litle closer to the truth)

All I can say is that we are
expecting to deliver during December and, given the massive back-order,
priority will be chronological. Thanks and best regards - Mike Carroll

Sorry, Pete, but if I can't give the local Distributor an ETA, how can I
possibly give you one? Thanks for your patience - Mike

so I wonder where your friends got their info from?

[i3]

Thats why I put "not to get anybodys hopes up " and "hopefully this is true" in the reply :wink: but it was logged in the pc as shipping which is a little vague and could imply anything I guess. I think I would take mikes info to be more legit.

[Merlot]

Guitar Center shipping is not true. I checked my order today and the expected arrival date is Feb.2005 I am suppossed to call back tommorrow and find out for sure if this is accurate. Wll let ya know.

[blay]

Guitar Center shipping is not true. I checked my order today and the expected arrival date is Feb.2005

I really dont know why you bother checking with suppliers/distribs as the email mike sent me was on 13th dec, and surely his word is better than anyones at the current time.
As he said - he cannot and has not been able to provide local distributors of an ETA, so how are the distribs/suppliers even coming up with any of these dates?
IMHO most of these dates (esp the impossibly early ones) have been listed by suppliers to boost preorder sales. I suggest you be wary of this.

Im sure access will have an update for us at least by xmas, so I suggest waiting to hear it from the horses mouth.

My keyboard is apparently going to arrive the day that it gets here :wink:

[Wandering Kid]

suppliers often get ahead of themselves. the more advertising they throw around, the more they embelish the fact that the TI. is COMING. to a town near youuuuuu!!! the more preorders they can fulfill. also, if one sales vendour advertises that they have TI's in stock or have access to them, customers are more likely to purchase from whichever vendour starts selling first. so everyone else, jumps on the bandwagon to stop that other sales site from taking a chunk out of its initial sales target. the wonderful world of marketing. ultimately as you say - access's word on this is final so id go with that.

[i3]

Nova just changed to january http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Manufacturer&keyword=20

[jasedee]

Latest word from ACCESS has the TI's shipping from Germany in January..
HA! This means probably rest of world (other than countries close to Germany) will get their Ti's realistically by FEB 2005 the earliest....

Maybe we should start posting votes, and making some bets....

Even if we chip in $1 each, we could have the pot up to $2-300

Thats a fair chunk from a Ti

[Nigel Harkness]

I'm going to sleep...............wake me up when my TI comes. Can't they at least put up a manual on their website so that I can read up on my new toy?

I understand that "good things come to those who wait" but man oh man.

[inasense]

When I ordered my Polar TI from Sam Ash it was going to come in the second shipment because the first was sold out. I guess I am looking at " when it get here it gets here" shipping date. AHhhhhhh!

[blay]

Can't they at least put up a manual on their website so that I can read up on my new toy?

bit hard to write a manual if the hardware/software isnt finalised first :wink:

I had contact with Howard Scarr (who is writing the manual) and he said it would take around a fortnight for him to write the manual after the configuration is finalised...

[Merlot]

I had contact with Howard Scarr (who is writing the manual) and he said it would take around a fortnight for him to write the manual after the configuration is finalised...

Hopefully it ships with an updated manual, but please dont let that delay shipping. I would rather them ship it w/o updated manual, than delay shipping due to manual being written and printed. We can always download an updated manual.

[mcoyote]

Can't they at least put up a manual on their website so that I can read up on my new toy?

bit hard to write a manual if the hardware/software isnt finalised first :wink:

I had contact with Howard Scarr (who is writing the manual) and he said it would take around a fortnight for him to write the manual after the configuration is finalised...

Oh yeah, we are access' bitches.

[i3]

Oh yeah, we are access' bitches.

ya I can see access behind doors snickering at us :lol:
The production line must be going mad crazy by now due to the backorders. My guess would be that they wanna meet quota or they are working out know issues with the software..oh well my excitement just died a little and its back to when it gets here it gets here.......

[Nigel Harkness]

it would take around a fortnight

fortnight?

[mcoyote]

it would take around a fortnight

fortnight?

Yeah, he's from a commonwealth country. They don't speak good there. Nor right nice neither.

Means a coupla weeks.

[i3]

Its official... virus TI is now payed in full! it came out to $1595 + tax which it came out to be $1726.61 US at Guitar Center. Guaranteed first shipment. Since its a special order Guitar Center flags the product 3 different ways (Pre order, paid for and stocked at distributor) and thier system came up paid for which means they already have bought the units from access. Guitar Center allocates a certain amount of funds for special orders which then the units are bought from access. so now its just a waiting game. :)

[tranzash]

Make some mp3 when you get it :wink:

[blay]

Yeah, he's from a commonwealth country. They don't speak good there. Nor right nice neither.

y'all drawl.

14 days.

would you expect anything more from the decendents of a bunch of criminals?

[ten]

From Digital Village UK ...

'Hi Tom,

last news we heard was that the ETA has slipped over to January :(

Chris - digital village'

arse interior :cry:


ten

[blay]

i'll have both those kanga testes back thanks ten :wink:

[ten]

No....MINE......MINE MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! ......hey i just bought dual opteron 250s for ?600, retail is ?1200....bargin!!!! DUAL CPU DAW HERE I COME.......access just release the TI already for fuck sake you complete bastards :lol: look how mental yuove made me go!!!

btw, im keeping the testicles, Pete.

ten

[mcoyote]

Yeah, he's from a commonwealth country. They don't speak good there. Nor right nice neither.

y'all drawl.

14 days.

would you expect anything more from the decendents of a bunch of criminals?

Yup, poop don't fall far from the pig.

[wildbill]

hey i3:

i don't want to burst your bubble, but when i was waiting for a micron, GC told me that they had some ordered, they were in the computer, and would be in very shortly.
after a couple weeks, i got tired of waiting and got one from novamusik.
don't necessarily believe it till you see it.

[i3]

Ive had no problem with special ordering through guitar center. Right at the release of the delta 1010 I got it in 2 days. I was there when ever he called the the guy at GSF and basically back ordered and will be in jan. Guitar Center has already bought enough units for the california demand. The distributor is in santa monica and im only 2 hours away so I dont think I should have a prob on recieving one when shipped. :D

[ledge]

from the access mailing list...


From: Marc Schlaile <ms@access-music.de>
Reply-To: Access GMBH product forum <access-list@ampfea.org>
To: Virus Mailing List Ampfea <access-list@ampfea.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:05:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Sloooooooow/Different Story

Hello,

no TIs have been shipped so far. The OS and PC/Mac related components are
currently in beta test. Software quality and reliability are very important
to us, we do not believe in shipping a new instrument which has bugs we
already know.

best, marc

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Schlaile Product Dictator
Access Music GmbH http://virus.info
---------------------------------------------------------------------



So there you go. :(

[Wandering Kid]

that virus TI listed on ebay? well its got 48 bids and its on $750 USD. quite a few from 0 feedback sellers but there looks like a few legit bids on it. man is someone gonna be disappointed when they get sent a box full of air and styrofoam...

item number: 3769838185

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=3769838185&rd=1

[markorbit]

Turnkey now say the TI stuff will be 5th Jan. I have a TI keyboard on order.

[inasense]

I spoke to my friend at Sam Ash and he stated that he just spoke to Access yesterday. Access stated that the order for Sam Ash should be in there store by the second week of Jan. Crossing my fingers.

[markorbit]

Just had a call from Turnkey = ETA is middle of Jan. I presume they feel the orig 5th Jan date could slip again so are being 'realistic' with the estimates.

[blay]

i think there are more people speculating about this release than there are on the stock exchange at the moment :roll:

[Timo]

that virus TI listed on ebay? well its got 48 bids and its on $750 USD. quite a few from 0 feedback sellers but there looks like a few legit bids on it. man is someone gonna be disappointed when they get sent a box full of air and styrofoam...

item number: 3769838185

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=3769838185&rd=1

It's been pulled. If it hadn't, dropping a line to eBay would've sorted it. At least some halfwit didn't have to actually pay for it in the end. Gotta keep your eyes and ears open on sites like ebay.

From Digital Village UK ...

'Hi Tom,

last news we heard was that the ETA has slipped over to January :(

Chris - digital village'



Digital Village have to firstly buy and ship their Virus' from Turnkey. Turnkey have complete monopoly of Virus' in the UK. Turnkey then sub-contract Viruses to other retailers, meaning that the secondary retailers wont make that much money on them so won't drop the prices. Hence customers will either get their Viruses from Turnkey, or if they get it from Digital Village, a wad of it will already have been payed to Turnkey via Digital Village's sub-contract.

I reckon manufacturers should sell to customers directly via their website or the like, like Elektron (of SID Station, MachineDrum, MonoMachine fame) did, and cut out the several chains of middle-men. Access would get a better cut, we'd probably get a better deal, everyone would be happy. :)

[ten]

Yea, I thought that was the way of things.

Though, I would NEVER buy anything from turnkey. I hear nothing but scare stories about how shit they are and especially customer service and returns. I would of bought it from them if it wasnt for this reputation they have. I would hate to have something wrong with my TI and have to deal with them to get it sorted. Digital village have been outstanding to me on every purchase.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Ten.......dont get me started on Turnkey and their customer service/returns policies.

I litrally got through 5 Virus KC's in the space of 13 months with them. To say it tarnished the magic of owning a Virus is an understatement.

I dont like Turnkey for a number of reasons. First off....you phone them and as soon as you do they play the hard sell game. You cant enquire about anything....without having severe pressure placed on you to commit. Ive even had them tell me how to organise my fucking finances so that I could buy the Virus|Ti. The sales guy suggested to me that I get my parents to buy it as an early xmas present.....to quote him 'thats what I'd get my parents to do'....yeah like shit m8.

Ok, so once youve overcome the hard sell.....what else happens. Well, your likely to get fucked around on delivery times. Sadly my name isnt Neil Tennant...and when I buy things....I get sidelined (along with everyone else). Hmmm so what does this mean? Well.....if Turnkey tell you that there gonna deliver on a Wednesday by 2pm....dont hold your breath. I had several instances when they told me it would be delivered on a Monday....and it didnt turn up till the Friday. Now this is just not on....because I had to take days off work....and when your at home waiting for a delivery its just not fun is it. Yourt constantly listening out for the van...you cant relax.....you cant even take a shit in fear you might miss the delivery and delay things further.

Ok wow....so youve got your beloved instrument at last......oh...but its fucked in some way. Ah thats Turnkey for ya! They really know how to store their goods.....and they handle them sooo well. Ive had Virus KC's sent to me...and I swear to god....its as if one of the warehouse knobs took it home...had a play on it....then repacked it only to shipped later in the week to unsuspecting muppets like me. Ok so your not happy with the condition of the Virus.....sending it back is easy enough....but then you come across a new set of problems. Dont for god sake let the their tech guys open it up.....they obliterated 2 of my virus'. Youve all seen dodgy photos of worn out DX7's on Ebay....well thats what my 2 week old Virus KC looked like by the time Turnkey's tech team had looked at it. They have total disregard for the money you paid on it....they have no respect for your property.

Well anyway....I can forgive a dealer having probs no and again.....a sort of blip in an otherwise professional service. However.....when it happens like three or four times....it does make you wonder what kinda service they are giving to people. Ive heard alot of other pissed off people....so go figure. My advice (and I dont say this lightly)....is to avoid Turnkey for majorly expensive items like big keyboard synths. Thats just my opinion...

DS

[ten]

Deffo mate. Exactly the type of story Ive heard DOZENS of times from people whove bought from them. Wouldnt touch them with a bardge pole even if it meant waiting another month or longer to get a TI.

I seriously cant understand how they are still going tbh. The staff in the shop are pre-pubescent students who know fuck about music tech, the customer service is a joke, the returns dept is even more of a discrace.

Digital village I highly recommend. Every time I have bought from them they have shipped the item next day without me even paying for next day delivery. Also if something isnt in stock or its due to be released soon they will call you back or email you to tell you when it is.

Ive never had a non-working product from them, so im unsure if there returns dept is any good but Ive only heard a tiny minority of bad stories from DV (which is to be expected from any supplier in any industry) compared to the monumental amount you hear about turdkey.

ten

[Nigel Harkness]

I'm so glad that I don't have to deal with a place like that.

Does this place basically have your area monopolized?

[ten]

No not at all, they are just the official UK distributor for Access products. Digital village is probably the biggest and best, sound control is pretty cool to and dolphin music. Whatever turnkey get in digital village will have it before them, apart from Access kit (although DV had virus powercore months before turnkey decided to stock it)

Its such a shame tho, cos turnkey is a nice shop and they do stock a wide range of pretty cool kit. They just need someone up top to take charge and sort the place out.

ten

[dangerdroid]

zzounds.com Has a "more expected date" of 1/7.

[FloatingPoint]

zzounds.com Has a "more expected date" of 1/7.

Unfortunately zzounds expected dates are completely unreliable. First they had 12/30. Then magically it became 12/17. Then on 12/17 it became 12/30 again. Now it is 1/7.

Zzounds is a decent company but those dates are kind of a con. I've seen the same thing happen with other products that weren't even new releases, just restock of things they already carry.

Access will ship them when they ship then. That's all anybody outside of Access knows.

[blay]

Access will ship them when they ship then. That's all anybody outside of Access knows.

FULLSTOP.

[Nigel Harkness]

NO! I want it now! :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Househead]

I dont like Turnkey for a number of reasons. First off....you phone them and as soon as you do they play the hard sell game. You cant enquire about anything....without having severe pressure placed on you to commit. Ive even had them tell me how to organise my fucking finances so that I could buy the Virus|Ti. The sales guy suggested to me that I get my parents to buy it as an early xmas present.....to quote him 'thats what I'd get my parents to do'....yeah like shit m8.

LMAO....Typical, and absolutely cluelesss :roll:

I always tend to go for Digital Village as I have had no problems in the past with this company and Adam/Sales in Southampton is really helpful...

10/10
:D

[scr]

:( Univers-sons (France) told me that Acces certainly waits for the winter namm show to introduce the TI .
I guess we won't have the TI before mid february :(

I really Hope to be wrong :(

[blay]

welcome to virusforum scr...

and i hope you are wrong too :wink:

cheers

blay

[Sleepwalker]

:( Univers-sons (France) told me that Acces certainly waits for the winter namm show to introduce the TI .
I guess we won't have the TI before mid february :(

I really Hope to be wrong :(

Whaaat? I was going to bring it to india, im going 30th of january, and stay until mid summer!! :( pleeeeaze access!

Im checking every day now, for news!!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I dont like Turnkey for a number of reasons. First off....you phone them and as soon as you do they play the hard sell game. You cant enquire about anything....without having severe pressure placed on you to commit. Ive even had them tell me how to organise my fucking finances so that I could buy the Virus|Ti. The sales guy suggested to me that I get my parents to buy it as an early xmas present.....to quote him 'thats what I'd get my parents to do'....yeah like shit m8.

LMAO....Typical, and absolutely cluelesss :roll:

I always tend to go for Digital Village as I have had no problems in the past with this company and Adam/Sales in Southampton is really helpful...

10/10

:D

I bought a Delta 10/10 from DV once.....it was a good experience.....Ill buy the TI from them.

DS

[Househead]

I bought a Delta 10/10 from DV once.....it was a good experience.....Ill buy the TI from them.

DS

That's what I will be doing my friend :wink:

[Nigel Harkness]

Well tommorrow is the 7th and I certainly hope that my sales rep. was correct in saying that they will be shipped. I'm assuming thought that he is wrong, we can only hope now.

[ten]

It wont be tomorrow mate, certainly not in your part of the world...someone would know something already.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hehehe, this is a classic! Takes me back to the days when I was waiting months for my C to arrive.

LOL I can remember that....you were waiting ages and had read the manual 3 times over by the time it had arrived heheheh

DS :lol:

[scr]

But now it seems that i will never arrive.

If only we had a final date... but whe have nothing to do but waiting for that day.... that week, that month, that year ?
we don't even know what the fu@@ is goin' on with the test !!!!!
we know nothin' and i guess some of the potential buyers will turn to another machine, like a G2 modular....

Acces should give infos cause our angers is growing up everyday grrrrrrr. :evil:

lol
well well , let's wait ...again...... let's hope. :cry:W

[ten]

Oh I don think that will happen.

No matter how late it is or even if we dont get any mp3 clips or anything new till its shipped. I dont think anyone would jump ship who is planning on getting the TI. Everyone who knows the virus sound loves it and we know access will get there in the end. Its just a shame whatever jackass at the top is calling the shots cant get it together properly and give us a date, some mp3 clips, some in depth specs and other things we should already have.

ten

[marc]

Oh I don think that will happen.

No matter how late it is or even if we dont get any mp3 clips or anything new till its shipped. I dont think anyone would jump ship who is planning on getting the TI. Everyone who knows the virus sound loves it and we know access will get there in the end. Its just a shame whatever jackass at the top is calling the shots cant get it together properly and give us a date, some mp3 clips, some in depth specs and other things we should already have.

ten

we know we're are late and we work hard but we will not compromise our standard just to rush out the TI and make some extra fast $$$. the stability of the OS and all the new components like drivers, plug-ins etc. is more important to us.

best, marc
access music

[Merlot]

we know we're are late and we work hard but we will not compromise our standard just to rush out the TI and make some extra fast $$$. the stability of the OS and all the new components like drivers, plug-ins etc. is more important to us.

best, marc
access music

Marc,
It is one thing to comprimise the standard and rush out the TI. It is another thing to post mp3 samples. I mean is it that hard to post 1 shot samples of the new OSC's, or sounds being created. I dont think so. Surely the OS is stable enough by now to do that.
Also, while I have you paying attention. What happened to customer loyalty. You guys have had a good reputation for it up until now. It has been 2 months, and ^^^^^ this is all we are getting from you. We have faith that Access is working with our best interests in mind, and support you guys. All we ask is for a little bit of support in return. Is that too much to ask?????????

[mcoyote]

...we know we're are late and we work hard but we will not compromise our standard just to rush out the TI and make some extra fast $$$. the stability of the OS and all the new components like drivers, plug-ins etc. is more important to us.

best, marc
access music

Must be hard to listen to us moaning all of the time -- Internet exists so people can complain over long distances and get porn. I'm sure you don't take this personally. Other than the occasional glitches one would expect, folks here love Access' gear.

Keep up the good work, can't wait for the new stuff.

[Merlot]

Marc,
I would also like to add, I dont mind waiting on a quality product. I know companies and coders can run into distribution, coding problems, etc...
All I am saying is just dont keep your faithful user base in the dark about everything. Speculate a release date, post some mp3 examples. Just do something to keep us at bay and I can assure you there wouldnt be as much uproar as there is.

We are like dogs, give us a bone to chew on for awhile and we wont bark! :lol:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Woof, Woof... :lol:

[ten]

Marc nothing personal to you (even though you have chosen to ignore questions directly to you from me on here and on the access mailing list several times over), and again its not so much that the date has slipped back (I think everyone secretly always knew it would, and most likely always will with future access products). But why on earth can you not give us any more usefull information, pictures of the hardware/software or mp3 teasers?

If the stability of the OS, new componants, drivers and plug-ins are REALLY that far behind so as you cant, then you MUST have known you could not keep the december shipping date ages ago. Which would lead us to believe the rumours that you had alterior motives for announcing the TI early to be true.

You're a good lad, Marc. I love the Virus, its an amazing synth and I know access want to and WILL make a great product when it finally arrives. But this being kept in the dark crap really stinks and you should seriously send word to someone higher up the chain that a lot people are not happy about this at all.

ten

[scr]

Ist not the fact that we hate to wait.
But we don't know how many time we'll have to wait and its the big diference.
I know that Acces work Hard, but if give us a sort a report of what's goin' , it would be easier to wait :)

scr

[Neojin]

Thanks for the update. I'm sure when the TI is released, it will be polished. :)

Oh I don think that will happen.

No matter how late it is or even if we dont get any mp3 clips or anything new till its shipped. I dont think anyone would jump ship who is planning on getting the TI. Everyone who knows the virus sound loves it and we know access will get there in the end. Its just a shame whatever jackass at the top is calling the shots cant get it together properly and give us a date, some mp3 clips, some in depth specs and other things we should already have.

ten

we know we're are late and we work hard but we will not compromise our standard just to rush out the TI and make some extra fast $$$. the stability of the OS and all the new components like drivers, plug-ins etc. is more important to us.

best, marc
access music

[grimleyj]

Jaisus H Christ guys!!!!!
Give Marc a break ... I can't see anyone from Korg or Roland posting on an unoffical user forum like this never mind reading it.
And look at all the info that has been posted on the Access site regarding the TI ... what have Korg given us on there new monstrosity ... a few thumbnails. Marc, ignore these idiots, take 6 months if you need it to get the TI perfected.
-grimley

[ten]

Fuck korg and roland...the whole reason I and others are bleeting on is because we love access's usual exceptional customer treatment, which just seems to be wavering in this release of the TI (maybe weve been spoilt?)

On a side note the korg hasnt been announced at all, the TI has. We can only wait andl see if korg stick to thier shipping dates and/or release detailed info, mp3 clips when the time comes.

ten

[Smag]

But why on earth can you not give us any more usefull information, pictures of the hardware/software or mp3 teasers?
ten

Because this drip-drip of information is the right way to confuse people. A product like this has to be "launched" rather than entering the market by the back door.


You're a good lad, Marc. I love the Virus, its an amazing synth and I know access want to and WILL make a great product when it finally arrives. But this being kept in the dark crap really stinks and you should seriously send word to someone higher up the chain that a lot people are not happy about this at all.
ten

Handbags at 10 paces :lol:

[markorbit]

OK I'm bored. I just wonder... a few days before Access announced the TI on the website info had been found on another site which gave a lot of info about the TI range. It was hot news and spread through synth forums. Access then announced very shortly after and confirmed a December launch and so I sold my C and put an order on the TI like many others :lol: Did they have to play their hand early due to the info leak elsewhere?

As already mentioned on here it may now be that Access waits for NAMM :(

Which would give them more time to catch any bugs I suppose. Had I known this I think I would have waited for NAMM too :wink:

Oh, and the reason Access haven't posted any MP3s yet is we will only bitch about them. :lol: Anyway Access are one of the better companies who know how to support their products and long may it continue.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The guys from Access dont have to post here or read here....but they do. Its time to give them a break. Its obvious they are doing what they can......im happy with that.

More info, MP3's and updates in general would be nice.....but my life will not come to an end if it doesnt happen anytime soon. Just hang tight and let them do the business.....

DS

[Merlot]

The guys from Access dont have to post here or read here....but they do. Its time to give them a break. Its obvious they are doing what they can......im happy with that.


No they dont, and you are right. I think everybody is a "little" ancy and tired of waiting. The fact is how many companies announce products, and aren't heard from again for 2 months.

Question for you guys is: do you think waiting til NAMM to ship will sway potential buyers to other synths that are announced?

I am not going anywhere, just wondering everyone elses opinion.

[scr]

Acces surely knows if the Ti will be soon ready ( 1 or 2 weeks) or if it will take months....
Acces come to this forum to say " We work hard ...." They don't have to do it so it 's nice from them.
But I think it's normal they work hard. Do you really think Acces are taking hollidays ?

Acces writes in this forum to calm people down. but it doesn't 'work'. On the contrary, we learn nothing new. So people feels like acces flouts them.
It seems to say 'c'mon guys the TI is not ready at all, you'll have to wait forever....sorry but we post on this forum so be cool ok ?). :lol:

But Im agree on a fact. Mp3, or Manual are no use at this time. It would be like a sort of compensation, a strategy to make people wait.

When you look at the delay, we cannott say the we have waited so long.
A little delay is nothing, but please don't let us in the expectation because it s the worst thing on earth, and its not honest for those who have pre-ordered their TI and who don't know when they receive it, and it doesn't suit with such a prestigious brand.

As you said before, Acces are the only ones who know, So please tell us more.


Waooo ...what a long post.... I should write novel instead of making music :)

Please people from Acceswho reads and posts on this forum, don't take it personnaly (Marc or anyone else).
Thanks

[mcoyote]

...The fact is how many companies announce products, and aren't heard from again for 2 months...

Many. Most large ones, maybe all of them in IT.

...do you think waiting til NAMM to ship will sway potential buyers to other synths that are announced?...

I would think so. If there are going to be meaningful introductions there, no sense being last week's news.

[Bjorktribe]

Just to jump in with some waiting experience. When I ordered my X Station (which at the time was ReMote 25 Audio) I waited THREE months for it to arrive! Mostly because what I had originaly bought was a K Station, Only to find out that they sold me a Discontinued product that I could no longer get. So i was comped with the Xstation being assured that with 'a download online, I could turn it into a K station synth AND remote keyboard. Well the download for it was not ready for another THREE months after I got it. That's three months that the synth engine inside lay dormant and noteless. That was the most painful wait i've ever had to go through. The swelling in my head has stopped since then.

I'm thinking that Access is up to please everybody. My sales rep also told me that mine should ship by Feb 11. fingers crossed.

[Merlot]

Many. Most large ones, maybe all of them in IT.


Ok, let me rephrase. How many companies announce music products and are heard from for over 2 months now? No sounds, no updates, no progress reports. It rarely happens if that. The least companies do is post sound examples to keep buyers at bay. The product was announced to ship in December.

[Nigel Harkness]

My sales rep also told me that mine should ship by Feb 11. fingers crossed.

Where did your order your TI from?

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

feb 11 ? 8O Nooooo.....!!!!!.....ooooooo....... :cry:

On top of that I am waiting for Reason 3.0, at least they gave us some mp3 since november 04, ....

feb 11 ? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo it can't be true.....

[MADSTATION]

Woah feb 11...it's in a little while!

Time will tell ;)
I have confidence in Access...
However, I kinda wish I waited before preordering a TI.

I'm kinda curious what the other companies will come up with @ NAMM!

[inasense]

Somebody is at it again. Posting a bogus Access Virus TI on ebay! Man I really hate those scammers. I already emailed all of the individuals that are bidding and notified ebay about the seller.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29552&item=3775019016&rd=1

[Bjorktribe]

Where did your order your TI from?

www.sweetwater.com
The best place to shop for music gear in the US. :)

[Nigel Harkness]

Bjorktribe: that is where I ordered mine aswell but my sales rep can't seem to give me a date. He told me they should be shippin by the 7th of January. I e-mailed him yesterday asking if he knew if it would still be shipping on the 7th and he said that "it is to early to tell".

[blay]

i think the very latest we will receive an update from access will be at the start of winter namm in 8 days time.

sit tight kids :wink:

[Nigel Harkness]

I actually pretty over the fact that i've bought it. It almost seems like I haven't bought it.......this is actually good because whenever I get it I will be psyched but until then i'm just going to forget about it!

[Bjorktribe]

I'm not over that fact yet. I'm a sophomore college student at a recording tech school (we just put in an IKON board, by the way) and i generally live off Top Ramen, Burger king and frozen dinners at work. Buying this Keyboard sealed the diet for another few months. I'm so damn excited to use it though!

Maybe when my sales rep told me, he was already thinking ahead to NAMM. I hadn't realized that it was so close!

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

How much did you pay for it at sweetwater ?

[Smag]

i think the very latest we will receive an update from access will be at the start of winter namm in 8 days time.

sit tight kids :wink:

I hope you're right Blay

[Nigel Harkness]

How much did you pay for it at sweetwater ?

I talked my sales rep. to $1650.

[Nigel Harkness]

I'm not over that fact yet. I'm a sophomore college student at a recording tech school (we just put in an IKON board, by the way) and i generally live off Top Ramen, Burger king and frozen dinners at work. Buying this Keyboard sealed the diet for another few months. I'm so damn excited to use it though!

Maybe when my sales rep told me, he was already thinking ahead to NAMM. I hadn't realized that it was so close!

Where do you go to school for this?

[Merlot]

I talked my sales rep. to $1650.

Is that for the desktop?

[Bjorktribe]

Where do you go to school for this?

http://www.nescom.edu
New England School of Communications In Bangor, Maine. The Audio engineering program is about 50 students from audio 1-4. There are Pro-tools mastering classes available after that and they tend to only have about 25 students. You get 3 hour personal lab times and the group labs averave about 8 people. We visit Gateway Mastering in Portland, Maine every semester after Freshman year. If only they taught Sound Synthesis. . .
[/url]

Unfortunatly, Since the IKON was put in over winter break, its not on the website yet :(

[Nigel Harkness]

I talked my sales rep. to $1650.

Is that for the desktop?

Yes, I talked them down because I ordered a C and they accidentially sent it to another guy who ordered a classic. I waited 3 weeks and told thme I would just buy it somewhere else or they could cut me a deal on the TI desktop.

[grimleyj]

Thanks for contacting us regarding the Access Access Virus TI Desktop; it is on sale at NovaMusik for the special low price of $1,595.00 and we don't charge sales tax if you live outside of Wisconsin!

To order, follow this link http://novamusik.com/search.aspx?keyword=1333&cid=9&type=Model or for more info please do not hesitate to call us TOLL FREE 1-877-290-6682, 10AM to 6PM Monday-Friday and Noon to 5PM on Saturdays.. our goal is to help you find the right gear at the right price. Thanks again- we look forward to hearing from you,

NovaMusik crew.

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

I talked them down to $ 1,595 @ sweetwater, mentioning Nova musik's price.

[blay]

i think the very latest we will receive an update from access will be at the start of winter namm in 8 days time.

sit tight kids :wink:

I hope you're right Blay

i hope so too... :roll:

[dries]

I talked them down to $ 1,595 @ sweetwater, mentioning Nova musik's price.

huh? thats about ?1.250

WTF?

and we pay ?1.650 in europe!

are they price-dumping in the US or what!

not very happy about that. :evil:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

this is for the desktop model.

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

In the US, competition is fierce. Almost any reseller now will match the lowest price you can find around.

[Sleepwalker]

Dear Kim,

Forwarding the mail from Access on the delivery schedule:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: New Product News : Virus TI
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:16:13 +0100
From: Michael Carroll


Hallo Umesh - Not before mid-Feb, unfortunately. Best - Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "UMESH BHAGWAT"
To: "Michael Carroll"
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: New Product News : Virus TI


> Dear Mike,
>
> Is the new Virus T1 5 octave version and the 37 key version available.
>
> We are discussing with a customer for the same ( two customers and both
> of them have asked me what is the delivery schedule of them).
>
> Let me know the same
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> for S.U.N. Media

> Umesh

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

8O :cry:

[markorbit]

eh? No TI till mid-Feb? That's a bit more than December when announced back in November.

I think some public announcement from Access would be welcome for those who placed the order back in November.

[Merlot]

I think some public announcement from Access would be welcome for those who placed the order back in November.

Dont hold your breath! I would expect to hear something on 20 Jan 05, the day winter NAMM starts.

[Smag]

I'd be suprised if Access don't release it during Winter Namm as it's one of the best opportunities of the year from a sales point of view. It's my birthday on 21st Jan so I also think Access must be waiting for that.

Merlot, where the f**k do you find those Avatars?

[scr]

Maybe Acces stay silent because they are about to release the Ti and they want to make you a suprise for your birthday.

Nice present isn't it ?


but they Maybe wait for th enamm to say it' won't be ship beofr mid-march .....

Maybe I hsould shut up cause I know Nothin' about it And I go mad with it ....

[Merlot]

I'd be suprised if Access don't release it during Winter Namm as it's one of the best opportunities of the year from a sales point of view.
Well, look at it this way. If they dont release it at NAMM, we will at least get to hear what the new stuff will sound like. If we dont even get to hear what it sounds like, it might be a good idea to take your money and run. That probably means that the integration is totally F*&#ed up and nowhere near release.

Merlot, where the f**k do you find those Avatars?
I find them all over the net. This new one is my favorite one I have ever found. NIN!

[blay]

eh? No TI till mid-Feb? That's a bit more than December when announced back in November.

I think some public announcement from Access would be welcome for those who placed the order back in November.

I think an *official* statement from Access is long overdue.
I preordered this thing on the 10th November and havent heard a thing since.
Now i hear news that it wont ship until MID FEB?
How do i know that when mid feb rolls around it wont be pushed back AGAIN....
Others here know what i have gone through to make myself financial for this release, and just how much i have lost in the process - up until this point I have been quite patient and level headed but to tell you the truth i am starting to get a little *annoyed*.
I understand Access is working very hard to release a polished product - all I want to know is WHERE THINGS ARE UP TO.

C'mon Access - Im prepared to wait until NAMM for an official statement - but if it is any later than that I think i might look at buying up on some of the cheap kc's that have been appearing on the market. How would I know the TI *sounds* any better?

i wish access all the best with the release - i just hope they can be courteous enough to let preorder customers know where things are up to.

cheers

blay

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

I am starting to wonder two things : either there is a major flaud in the new virus TI or it's so f***ing good that they just want to blow people away at namm. But It's true they should make some public announcement soon, "cause I am starting to consider buying something else instead. We are not talKing $200 equipment here ....c'mon ACCess, speak up, we are not industrial spyes...we are paying customers !!!

No matter how you turn it, that's what they are waiting for. Namm is more important than us ....sad but true....

I have been waiting for Reason 3.0 as well since November, they did post mp3 tough (much needed since Reason sounds phatter now and creating complex modular patches will be a breeze ).

[xerxes_]

i agree with blay and soundsetcetc. i respect any company that wants to insure that when shipped, its a top notch working product. but announcing release in december, then basically going underground for two/three months with no feedback to those who allready ordered it, thats disrespectful. regardless of how you see it.

[blay]

but announcing release in december, then basically going underground for two/three months with no feedback to those who allready ordered it, thats disrespectful. regardless of how you see it.

make that November - the 9th to be exact. :roll:

[hackborn]

announcing release in december, then basically going underground for two/three months

I believe it was late dec that marc (? I think?) stated they had entered beta testing. Beta testing can mean a lot of different things depending on the company, but I'd be surprised if there are many developers with a beta cycle less than a month, and I suspect 2 or 2.5 is more common.

Access has years of experience developing hardware synths, but this product is something new -- developing for windows requires a whole new set of skills and a lot more testing, since it's such a heterogenous environment. It's understandable that they would have a harder time predicting how long it's going to take. Of course I don't know any of the details, but if they're like a typical software house they'll probably feel like they're shipping 'any day now' for the last month or two of development, and wouldn't it get annoying to here 'tomorrow' for weeks on end?

[hackborn]

developing for windows

Eh, look at me, totally windows-centric. They're doing mac, too, so two new large skills plus two products that have to be released simultaneously.

[blay]

yep dont forget us poor old mac plebs :wink:

[MADSTATION]

Yeah that's what I'm kinda afraid of.
They rock in the hardware market, but I just hope the vst interface will be just as good and most importantly, STABLE(with automations, every host, etc.)

time will tell!

[blay]

Yeah that's what I'm kinda afraid of.
They rock in the hardware market, but I just hope the vst interface will be just as good and most importantly, STABLE(with automations, every host, etc.)

time will tell!

im sure stability is on the forefront of access' mind at the moment.
one workplace im glad im not responsible for at the current time.

[scr]

Have you ever thought that Access could have financial problems ?
No news, no update ?
I hope Access won't die like Waldorf.
I don't think but.......... Who knows ?

[blay]

Have you ever thought that Access could have financial problems ?
No news, no update ?
I hope Access won't die like Waldorf.
I don't think but.......... Who knows ?

dont even go there.

access is here to stay :D

[scr]

Waldorf is still here , but the brand is no more :)

But you're right ....... there is no way to go there ......

are you really sure ? " //doubts maker MODE// :twisted:
lol It was just to keep the thread alive and to 'tourner le couteau dans la plaie' lol

[Nigel Harkness]

yep dont forget us poor old mac plebs :wink:

There ain't nothing poor about you plebs, you can afford the Mac so you can't be too poor! :wink:

[blay]

im actually seeling my powerbook soon and buying a desktop pc cause i cant afford the mac upgrade - the TI burnt a hole right through my pocket :(

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Never had a problem with PC, just build your own.

Hey Nigel, what kind of music do you compose ? I live around Boston, maybe with we can collab on something some day, with the northestearn flair...winter sucks around here.

[blay]

Never had a problem with PC, just build your own.

the fact that i can build my own is the exact reason im returning to pc.

but nevertheless... i f$%&ing HATE windows :evil:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

yeah, windows is caca. But with a little tweaking you can get the OS to behave. If you are just running applications it's ok !

[Smag]

"cause I am starting to consider buying something else instead. We are not talKing $200 equipment here ....c'mon ACCess, speak up, we are not industrial spyes...we are paying customers !!!


I'm getting cold feet to be honest. I put a ?120 deposit down on one in Dec and I spoke to a manager at Turnkey today who said in instances like these he would be prepared to return the deposit. Although he did say he is expecting a first batch in on Jan 20th, he said this could change. The thing is, I've got projects on the go and I can't afford to hang about.

[blay]

I will miss the stability of osx.

but im keen to buy into the 64bit technology, and i just couldnt afford that buying mac...

[scr]

i havenever had any pbo with win Xp.

Everybody say that Xp isn't stable.
Most of the time The softs are instable And everybody tells that Windows Sucks.

Ok windows has some bugs but mac Os too and maybe more.
I ve been working on both Mac and PC platform and i really can't tell that Mac is more efficient adn stable, than windows.

[Merlot]

I will miss the stability of osx.

but im keen to buy into the 64bit technology, and i just couldnt afford that buying mac...

I am a mac plebe also. Have you seen the new mini mac. That could be an option. $499 for a 1.25GHZ G4. All you need is any old monitor and keyboard/mouse. It is mac trying to make an entry into the lower end desktop market.
macmini (http://www.apple.com/macmini)

BTW, NAMM is a week from today. Sit tight it is only 7 more days until we SHOULD know something. If not, then make your decesion on whether to stay or go.

[blay]

yeah but they are still just a g4.
I would stay with mac if i could afford one of the g5's - esp a dual processor model - and maybe one of the new 30inch displays 8O

... and yeah i think we will hear something around namm time - i just hope its not 'shipping in june'... :wink:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

I'll give them until mid february, after that, Clavia here I come.

[blay]

I'll give them until mid february, after that, Clavia here I come.

funny you should say that. i was decided on a lead 3 kb - and that night the TI was announced :roll:

now im considering saving up for his korg beast if they release it when they say they are going to...

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

TI = Total illusion :twisted:

[Merlot]

now im considering saving up for his korg beast if they release it when they say they are going to...

Same here. This thing looks amazing. Have you gone to the korg oasys soundcard site and listen to some of the mp3's. Awesome for a PCI card. I'll have a decesion to make since I bought the TI locally and they take returns back.
Just realizing, I talk alot of smack. I wont be able to afford a $7K synth. Oh well, it maybe the G2 then.

[blay]

TI = Total illusion :twisted:

i wouldnt go quite that far...

i just want to know where things are up to.

[Merlot]

TI = Total illusion :twisted:

That is a good one. Pretty true so far as to no one has heard or seen anything! :lol:

[blay]

Pretty true so far as to no one has heard or seen anything! :lol:

hey cmon - we got some pretty, rotatable 3d models :roll: :lol:

[blay]

i spoke too soon!
did anyone see the update on the access website?!!!

Visit us on NAMM
01/13/2005??

and check out the all new Virus TI range. The Access booth is located in hall A, #6900. See you there!


stop the press :roll:

what an informative update....

[scr]

//start from ZERO mode//

Ti ? whats this I have never heard of this before..... ;)
Is there a release date fot this new synth ?

L
O
L

[blay]

:lol:

yeah check my signature...

[MADSTATION]

hahaha you guys are hilarious :D :D

Personally I don't care if it's released in jan/feb/march...What I care personally is some updates from Access! More info about the thing most of us preordered, etc.

I can wait a bit more for a really polished product, but can't wait much longer for some news!

[blay]

I can wait a bit more for a really polished product, but can't wait much longer for some news!

this is my exact headspace.
shall we make an order?
how about:
10 hypersaw mp3s
10 wavetable mp3s
and perhaps a manual?
(ok im getting greedy)

[u4ia]

Likewise, I would feel much better about things if they came out and said they needed till March to make sure things were solid; not having any news is kind of scary. Maybe they should call it "Total Illusion", or "Totally Invisible".

On a side note, is anybody from this forum going to NAMM? They could be one of the first to see/hear/touch the new TIs. Then they can report back that they do exist! :D

[MADSTATION]

u4ia: A friend of mine has a meeting scheduled with some guys @ Access during NAMM. If the thing is that good, he is going to buy quite a few for his store. He will give me a full report as well so I will post his impressions as soon as I get them. He currently owns an INDIGO 2 and wondering if the TI is really worth the upgrade.

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

wait a second Namm on 1/13/2005 ? Isn't Namm on the 20th ?

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Ooops, nevermind. Today is the 13th, damn I don't even know what day it is anymore ... :oops:

[MADSTATION]

SoundzplastikSurgeon: thats the date of the update...
NAMM is indeed on the 20th

[MarcTale]

Maybe he could record some sounds from it.
I did that some years ago at the Musik-Messe in Frankfurt with the Nordlead 3.

BTW : We should all write to Access that we won?t buy the TI if they don?t post a release date soon.
I talked to one on the phone some days ago and he tould me he couldn?t tell a date because the don?t even know that on their own.
Even the NAMM version could NOT be the Version that will be released.

Another thing : Did you all read the Interwiev with Marc Schlaille. There was one in the german Keys Magazine. If you like I could translate (as far as I can) it and post it here.

Some interesting information about the next OS and so...

Regards

Marc

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

please do...

[Bjorktribe]

I just went to Access' site and read the words see you at NAMM! At last we hear from the Staff (albiet one sentence)! Keep the one-liners comming access!

[MADSTATION]

That would be great!

I'm starting to get desperate hah

[Bjorktribe]

Well three sentences, I guess 8O

[MarcTale]

So, here it is!

Interview with Marc Schlaile in the German Keys Magazine from January 2005:

Keys: Where are the advantages of the TI-Series in comparison to the earlier solutions?
M.S.: The TI goes much farer that a Virus C and conventional Midi- and Audioports can do.One of our goals was, makin the advantages of Softsynths accessable to Hardware. That?s why we created the VirusControl-PlugIn, whose help with the Virus is getting the Midi-Data.
All Soundadjustments will, as it?s in virtual Instruments, be stored with the Track.
The Circle?s closing, when you?re sending Subgroups to your Computer-System. It?s feeling like a real Software-Instrument in your Sequencer.

Another goal was, to open the I/O-Hardware in the TI for as many possibilities as possible., also the Audio- and MIDI-Interface for the system.
On the way you have a complete Ministudio with the TI and a Laptop.

Keys :Which Sequencers are compatible with the PlugIn and how?s it with the latency?
M.S.: We try to be compatible with every VST- and AU-Application. To get the best performance, the host should have Delay-Compension for PlugIns, because a delay on the way to the Virus and back is of course there. But most hosts have delay-Compensation or they?re working on that.
The connection Virus TI/VirusControl has a sample-accuracy timing.
We use the LTB-Protcol (Linear Time Base) , which is also used in Steinberg Midex 8.
So it?s sure, that a chord is not in single tones on after another as in Midi, but exactly at the point on the same time.

Keys: Which USB uses the TI?
M.S.: We use USB 1.1 with 12 Mbit speed, with full USB 2-Compability.
We have 4 Audiostreams at the moment, plus the possibility one Stereo- In and Out to use as an Audio-Interface.
In a later OS it will be possible to adjust the bandwith more flexible. So there might be 4 Stereo-Audiostreams from the Virus into the Computer-system, if you?re not using the Audio-Interface.

Keys: Is it possible to use other Audio-Interface next to the TI-PlugIn for recording?
M.S.: Most hosts can only use one Asio- or AudioCore-Hardware at a time. The same is with the Virus TI as an Audio-Interface. But it can be used as a PligIn in combination with other Audio-Interfaces.
We made our own driver a it sends our data a different way.

Keys: Will there be a cheaper rack-version of the TI again?
M.S.: It could be done. But we think, most of our customers like using the knobs and sliders. There?s no plan for that at the moment.

Keys: Will there be the Upgrade-possibility for former Virus users? What about PowerCore- and Pro-Tools-Versions?
M.S.: We can?t do that. We recommend, to give back older Viruses to the Shops, also to use Online-Auctions.
The Virus TI uses 2, with a very fast Bus, combined DSP. We have to find out, which aspects of the Virus-TI Soundsynthsis can be brought to the named DSP-Platforms.

I hope everyone understands that!

Marc

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Thanks Marc !

[MADSTATION]

"We have 4 Audiostreams at the moment" <--- Does this mean that they plan to have more in the future?

What do you guys think?

[MarcTale]

Yeah, it does mean that :
They have now 4 Mono (or 2 Stereo)-Streams and in a future OS the will have 8 Mono (i think) and 4 Stereo-Streams, when you?re not using the Audi-Interface.

Marc

[Bjorktribe]

In a later OS it will be possible to adjust the bandwith more flexible. So there might be 4 Stereo-Audiostreams from the Virus into the Computer-system, if you?re not using the Audio-Interface.



Right ther it is! maybe up to 4 stero audio streams. Don't forget that means 8 Mono!

Thanks for the article :D

[MarcTale]

But I still don?t get why they just have USB 1.1!
USB 2 would have been much more effective (think of the amount of streams).
Someone on the Access-phone told me it would have been too expensive...
Hello??? I think everybody would pay a hundred $ more for maybe 10 Stereo-Streams (I heard 24 would have been possible with USB 2).

But I think they will wait for the TI-2 (or TI-XL...)

Regards

Marc

[Bjorktribe]

I just posted the same argument as you in the studio equipment discussion. . .

"Has anyone else been wondering why The USB2 spec is being picked up so slowly? It may cost extra money to put in a unit but I think people aren't going to mind paying for something that isn't already being outdatted. :? "

I dont get it either, but it would be nice!

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

I really don't think that usb 2.0 is that much more expensive.

For crying out loud, they mention that due to their lower manufacturing costs they are able to offer the viruc classic for cheap. It might have nothing to do, but why not put that extra cash into usb 2.0. for the TI series ?

What next, usb 2.0 in a couple of years when everybody will be firewire ?

Sorry I feel bitchy...

[MADSTATION]

I feel the same way.

That's why I wouldnt be surprised to see an updated version in 6 months...
And I really don't feel like buying a 2nd TI in 6 months you know lol

[u4ia]

I'm just hoping we get our TI version 1.0 by six months :wink:

[Merlot]

good post! I dont know, I am just excited to get my hands on one. :twisted:

[scr]

I don't really know if I m exited.... but Im getting tired and bored .

[Merlot]

I don't really know if I m exited.... but Im getting tired and bored .

Not that much longer till we find out more for sure. About 6 more days.

[Targon]

P?lAR Ti

BOO - USB 1.1 (Deceptive marketing)
BOO - Shitty feeling keyboard (still)
BOO- Camouflaged LED's
BOO- Ugly overbearing White
BOO - Wood Panel
BOO - No X/Y Pad or Joystick
BOO - Still lacking in assignable knobs

Ti hrm Tragically Insufficient BOOOOO

So now can u go back to the factory and make a Silver one with Black or Dark Blue text, knobs, wheels and highlights with a Blue LCD and Blue LED's so we actually see?

Why can't Access just make a machine exactly like the design of the TI Keyboard with 3 octaves minus the Wooden side panels instead of an ugly white elephant which makes all the controls difficult to see?

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

:lol:

[MADSTATION]

I have to agree with Targon haha

Even tho I ordered a TI POLAR, I don't know what ACCESS was thinking with the white leds and light gray pots lol

[scr]

I m sure that the white leds will rock !!!!
Sound Hot like Hell Design cold like ice !!!!
Total Incubation

[MADSTATION]

Yeah well I believe that access had their reasons to put white leds...I'm just afraid that white on white isnt the best option, but still its a detail ;)

Blue leds would have been cool!

[Timo]

I have to agree with Targon haha

Even tho I ordered a TI POLAR, I don't know what ACCESS was thinking with the white leds and light gray pots lol

What colour pots would you like? Silver? What colour indicator line would you have?

[scr]

My KS Rack has red leds with bleu lcd screen on allumininum colour body.
when dark comes my Ks rules over all my studio :)

[MADSTATION]

Well since I plan to tweak the pots quite a bit, a darker color would have been more than welcome since I don't wanna leave stains on the pots!

Unless I wear gloves when manipulating the TI :D

[scr]

Using gloves while you are manipulating Viruses is normal !
do you really want to be infected ?

[Bjorktribe]

Have you ever looked at white LEDs? They're friggin brite! 8) I don't think you'll have to worry about not seeing them. And grey pots? So long as you're not colorblind and can see in more than 2 dimensions, you'll see those too!

Besides, How awesome will that look in the dark? Blue is more and more common and tends to hide text on control surfaces. White will look like its daytime above the Virus. I think its a good chice and certaintly a style of their own. Why else would you spell Polar with a Zero? :D

[Juho L]

Why else would you spell Polar with a Zero? :D

Correctional officer: The ? is a special kind of letter ?. Virus P?lar... That sounds weird. Annoyingly Danish...

[Targon]

On the Mac it is

option + shift + o

[Merlot]

On the Mac it is

option + shift + o

Another mac user!! :lol:

[u4ia]

Maybe along with the special Polar "Gloves" we will need specialized access polar "sunglasses" to shield us from the shiny white led lights. :)

[u4ia]

Merlot, you do have a knack for picking the most interesting avatars. This latest one, I feel like it draws me in and I can't escape or look away, almost hypnotic :)

Good to see fellow Mac users on here, hopefully it isn't the AU version of the TI plugin software that is holding things up!

[Merlot]

Merlot, you do have a knack for picking the most interesting avatars. This latest one, I feel like it draws me in and I can't escape or look away, almost hypnotic :)
Thanks, I like this new one myself. Theres something hypnotizing about it. Just put on a village people cd and sit back! :?

Good to see fellow Mac users on here, hopefully it isn't the AU version of the TI plugin software that is holding things up!

I bet you getting it to pass logics AU vaildation is what is holding everything up!!! :cry:

[Bjorktribe]

The ? is a special kind of letter

Hi, I use a PC. I have no special O :(

? :D There it is! Look at this P?LAR!

Alt+0216

Pretty tedious but i got it!

[Targon]

tedious, yeah the key word to operating M$'s products....nice 1

[Hollowcell]

Hey where's that Avtar Merlot? Did it only last a day?! Why?

[Merlot]

Hey where's that Avtar Merlot? Did it only last a day?! Why?

Back by popular demand. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL thats funny....

DS :wink:

[Blank]

Im sorry but im surprised no one has had seizures yet while lookin at that Avatar!!!

peace
BLank

[scr]

Is Virus Redback a good value ?
what do you think of this Indigo2 special edition ?

I wonder if im not going to buy one if Access stay silent during the Namm about the Release date........

Maybe I should wait a little linger even if we don't know anything more after the Namm.




:cry:

[Timo]

Hey where's that Avtar Merlot? Did it only last a day?! Why?

Back by popular demand. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

nooooooooooooooo!

[Smag]

Hey guys, just to let all you UK Ti fans know that the first delivery to Turnkey has been set for 15th Feb. I placed my order in early December and Turnkey said they would e-mail me as soon as they had firm confirmation from Access - and now they have!

Hi David,

ACCESS VIRUS TI new date of arrival - 15/02.

Sorry about delay.

Best regards,

Alex Cichoski
ext. 266

[MADSTATION]

That's some great news :)
So hopefully I will get it by march!

Damn, almost half a year without my virus lol

[scr]

Guys I have been told that Ti would be released sooner.

A lot of shop who firstly said mid february have changed to a sooner date.
This date is for france and europe, don't know for states.

I won't tell more cause its certainly another Pre-order trick

[blay]

Hey guys, just to let all you UK Ti fans know that the first delivery to Turnkey has been set for 15th Feb. I placed my order in early December and Turnkey said they would e-mail me as soon as they had firm confirmation from Access - and now they have!

Hi David,

ACCESS VIRUS TI new date of arrival - 15/02.

Sorry about delay.

Best regards,

Alex Cichoski
ext. 266

hmm judging by the info given to us by ben crosland on the namm video, i would say this was another blunder on turnkeys behalf.... :roll:

[i3]

I so feel like the guy in blay's avatar. hmm lets see its been almost a half of a year since I sold my indigo!!!! :x :cry: :? 8O :twisted: :roll:

[EnjoyRC]

Good news... most online shops now advertise April 29th as their shipping date. This made me send an email to Access and directly ask them about their shipping date. I wrote them yesterday and I got a response from Access today (Feb-16):

Hello,

Thank you for your mail. We expect the TI Series to ship in the first
weeks of March.

With best regards,

Marc Schlaile
Access Music Info Desk

---------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Schlaile
Human Information Droid
info@access-music.de
http://www.access-music.de
---------------------------------------------------------------

[grs]

I wonder if that means that the retailers get them in march and some of us pre-order dudes get our long awaited goodies and the rest of the plebs get to wait till april... :roll:

[blay]

...did i mention my bday is on the 20th march? :wink:

[Nigel Harkness]

Well blay I guess if your getting the TI then you can have a happy birthday.....hopefully! :wink:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

On the Access website it says......'Shipping in March'

Id says thats more acurate than any retailers guess.

DS

[Merlot]

On the Access website it says......'Shipping in March'

Id says thats more acurate than any retailers guess.

DS


Kind of like when they had "shipping in December" on there!!!!!!! :wink:

[Nigel Harkness]

Don't dash our hopes now Merlot.

[Merlot]

I dont see it coming before April. i think they are leaving that on there, b/c they know they are getting to the point where people are going to start saying enough is enough. I hope I am wrong though!

[Nigel Harkness]

Only time will tell.

[FloatingPoint]

I cancelled my order.

A) I think they're a**holes for perpetually lying about the release date.
B) I woke up to the fact that it's insane to put down that much money for a product that hasn't been thoroughly reviewed and tested.
C) I'm going to wait until they upgrade the hardware interface to Firewire or at least USB 2.0 (and you know they eventually will). And until they've worked the kinks out of the OS, which there still will be even when it ships.
D) I'd rather spend that money now on tried and true products and actually be working on music instead of twiddling my thumbs, waiting and hoping for some elusive ship date.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'll buy a TI eventually but I've just realized that my previous impatience was just a bit of foolishness engineered by a marketing machine eager to line its pockets as soon as possible.

[EnjoyRC]

I'm going to wait until they upgrade the hardware interface to Firewire or at least USB 2.0 (and you know they eventually will). It is already USB 2.0. I wouldn't hold out for Firewire.

[ten]

It is not usb2, its usb2 compatible. Which basically means you can plug it into a usb2 port and it will work fine. It is infact usb1 spec and speed, meaning 12mb/s. Yes, I agree It SHOULD of been usb2 or firewire from the beginning and allowed all 16 chans of audio instead of 2/3 but there you go, maybe an upgrade later on or TI-2.

ten

[EnjoyRC]

It is not usb2, its usb2 compatible. Which basically means you can plug it into a usb2 port and it will work fine.That bites!!!

[F5D]

This usb bandwidth problem is the only downside of the TI. I would like to use many other audio unit fx plugins for the individual trakcs but TI means that you'll be using mostly the TI's own fx (which are good, but not enough). I will wait and see if Access updates the driver to be able to use 4 stereo outs. That would be the minimum usable amount of connections.

[udenjoe]

Keep it in your pants. Europe first, US second, Japan and then on down the ole imperial landscape.

[tranzash]

Latest words from access, TI will be shipping from Germany at the end of march. Saw this at novamusik :evil:

[Merlot]

We will see if their "45 days from now (Jan 23 BTW)" Holds true. I hope so, but after their performance on this release, I think not. . . . . . . :roll:

[F5D]

maybe around summer namm 2005 :wink:

[markorbit]

Latest words from access, TI will be shipping from Germany at the end of march. Saw this at novamusik :evil:

I'm about 48 hours from cancelling my pre-order and putting my money somewhere else. I can always check out the TI when the time comes if I still want a VA.

[Merlot]

Latest words from access, TI will be shipping from Germany at the end of march. Saw this at novamusik :evil:

I'm about 48 hours from cancelling my pre-order and putting my money somewhere else. I can always check out the TI when the time comes if I still want a VA.

Do it! Let us know what you get! :roll:

[markorbit]

Do it! Let us know what you get! :roll:

Well at the risk of enormous ridicule I fancy a Yamaha Tyros. I think I need an arranger for quick ideas (not just trance etc) more than I need another synth right now. I'm also re-assessing if the TI desktop/rack would be better for me than a full keyboard.

Other stuff which has caught my eye recently is the VSynth XT and Nord Modular G2.

The TI would be good but I may return for that later i.e: when its available. 8)

There is also a teeny-weeny gripe that I was 'fooled' back in November.

[aster]

Sorry to say, but all of you who put down deposits on the TI got sucked in big time.

Access are twiddling their thumbs biding their time, whilst they fix any existing bugs, assess demand for their production runs, check out what the competition is doing and overall continue to build momentum for the final release. I cant blame them in a way, its a competitive market out there.....cliche...: Patience is a virtue ! I am prepared to wait !

[tranzash]

zZ sounds expected shipping date is 4-29-2005 8O :evil:

[Merlot]

zZ sounds expected shipping date is 4-29-2005 8O :evil:

Would not doubt that date one bit. When I had mine preordered through guitar center. The last date they gave me before I cancelled it was around april 20th. And they had been on the money every other push back the TI recieved.
I think Aster has hit the nail on the head with them just creating more hype.

[Smag]

I cancelled my order a couple of days ago. I placed it in December but decided I wasn't prepared to be messed around anymore. It is a shame and I am a bit gutted. There are lots of alternatives though and a Waldorf Q should be finding it's way to me this week. It doesn't mean to say I won't get a Ti in the future.

[Househead]

zZ sounds expected shipping date is 4-29-2005 8O :evil:

The last date they gave me before I cancelled it was around april 20th.

and then it becomes May 2005 (but there's still a few bugs in the software), so it becomes June 2005 :roll:

Come on Access...get ur shi7 together, please

[hackborn]

Access are twiddling their thumbs biding their time, whilst they fix any existing bugs, assess demand for their production runs, check out what the competition is doing and overall continue to build momentum for the final release.

The notion that Access is somehow stretching out the release strikes me as extremely unlikely. They discontinued almost their entire line! They've been sitting there for months with no hardware to sell but the Virus Classic! For however much we're waiting for release, guaranteed they're dying for it.

zZ sounds expected shipping date is 4-29-2005

zZounds has been useless as a source of release dates. For months, they simply moved it back one week every week. I did notice awhile ago they moved I think the desktop to end of april but kept the keyboard and polar at a march date, so it's remotely possible this date reflects the expected second batch because the initial shipment is sold out, but of course that's just idle speculation. I'm not claiming the TI is coming soon but I wouldn't place too much stock in what zZounds posts.

[MADSTATION]

I'm in a dillema...
Might get a Vsynth XT instead and get a TI when it will have either usb2 or firewire!

All these delays don't make me feel too confident about the stability of the product. Buying a buggy 80$ product is a bit frustrating, so when spending more than 3000$ for a synth, it better be ROCK SOLID!

[Merlot]

I'm in a dillema...
Might get a Vsynth XT instead and get a TI when it will have either usb2 or firewire!

All these delays don't make me feel too confident about the stability of the product. Buying a buggy 80$ product is a bit frustrating, so when spending more than 3000$ for a synth, it better be ROCK SOLID!

The v-synth is a mad mangler. By the time it comes out, the TI might be out. Pretty much a waiting game with both of those.

I am in the same type of situation. i am looking at the spectralis though instead. And will probably pick up TI later. Dont know what I am going to do though. I have store credit that is burning a hole in my pocket waiting for the damn TI.

Another problem is, I have no synth to fill the void. I had to send my V back for a power supply shortage. They had none to replace it at the time, so I am back to where I started. All vritual, with no hardwaRE. :evil:

[EnjoyRC]

Earlier in this thread, I posted an email response from ACCESS themselves. A soon as I saw various sites posting that late April date, I wrote them. They immediately responded that they are still shipping the Virus TI line within the first couple of weeks of March. This was great news because I prepaid for mine and have been assured of getting one out of their first shipment. woooo hoooo

[Hollowcell]

They immediately responded that they are still shipping the Virus TI line within the first couple of weeks of March.

Without backtracking through this thread - did they specify what year that would be? :D

Hehehe, horrible joke. Sorry guys. :wink:

[xerxes_]

They immediately responded that they are still shipping the Virus TI line within the first couple of weeks of March.

Without backtracking through this thread - did they specify what year that would be? :D

Hehehe, horrible joke. Sorry guys. :wink:


LOL! it was pretty good i thought ; but also a little sad hehe

[tranzash]

:lol: Hopefully that won't happen :D

[Merlot]

They immediately responded that they are still shipping the Virus TI line within the first couple of weeks of March.

Without backtracking through this thread - did they specify what year that would be? :D

Hehehe, horrible joke. Sorry guys. :wink:

Steve,
You Bastard. I am going nuts over what to do. I am waiting for reviews on the spectralis. By the time that happens, the TI will most likely be out. So, it prolly going to be the TI.
Considering the Nord 3 is being discontinued, which means a new version is coming hopefully at Musikmesse this year (April '05) <--this is just speculation BTW.

[blay]

Earlier in this thread, I posted an email response from ACCESS themselves. A soon as I saw various sites posting that late April date, I wrote them. They immediately responded that they are still shipping the Virus TI line within the first couple of weeks of March. This was great news because I prepaid for mine and have been assured of getting one out of their first shipment. woooo hoooo

the 'glass half full' side of me believes this.
the 'glass half empty' side of me says "go take back your deposit and buy one of the cheap kc's going around at the moment".

[MarcTale]

I just called Mike Carrolll. He told me they hope it will be released in March but it will effectly (I think he means surely...) be out in April!
They?re working hard on the last beta-tests.


Hmmm... I?m wondering if I should cancel my preorder.

Maybe I?ll stop by at Access - they?re just a city away from me - and have a little chat with them.... ;-)

Regards

MarcTale

[EnjoyRC]

Don't let the April 29th availability date that some retailers are posting, fool ya. It's still being shipped early March, yet the March shipment is sold out. So the second shipment is April 29th. They can't advertise the availability date in March if they're sold out.

[MADSTATION]

EnjoyRC...How can you be so sure? ;)

[EnjoyRC]

I have a good friend that works at Sweetwater. We discussed in depth the normal marketing practices of these online retailers. And the fact that just recently, via email, Access verified that they're still on track with shipping them within the first couple of weeks of March ... uh er um... 2005. :) (had to add the year)

[ten]

All BS and Speculation.

I have several emails from access saying 'Yes, we are still on schedule for the December shipping date

Dont believe ANYTHING especially from a disties who knows jack shit. Ive been quoted about 100 different dates from Turnkey (official UK supplier of access products) and a whole load of other disties.

NO ONE KNOWS OR WILL KNOW TILL IT ACTUALLY SAYS 'VIRUS-TI SHIPPING' ON THE ACCESS WEBSITE.... or marc/ben say so here :)


ten

[Nigel Harkness]

I will be so glad when I can end this post that I started by saying "I just recieved my Virus TI desktop and it is sick". I will be so glad!

[Merlot]

Well, I got bored tonight before work and figured the day the Virus should be shipping according to the "45 days" announced in the NAMM video.
As of now, 38 days have passed since 23 Jan (the end of the NAMM show). So that means the virus should be shipping a week from today. Does anybody actually think Access is on track? Or do you think it will be shipping in a week? Hmmmmmm. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[tranzash]

I was wondering the same. Again all the dates on those website making me paranoid too, It will be nice if access release TI within next week. What is the problem concerning the delay? Implementing the AU or making more wavetables? :?

[Hollowcell]

Does anybody actually think Access is on track? Or do you think it will be shipping in a week? Hmmmmmm. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I have 100% faith that the TI will be released relatively soon........:D

[MADSTATION]

latest rumor I've heard from a shop down here:

Europe release date is on track, north america is gonna be delayed for quite a while.


Dunno if its gonna be true, but we will see :)